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Under "Known for," should her suffrage activism be added?
Possibly. I always think less is more in an IB (if an article should have one at all), and I think it has more impact by focussing on the core, rather than bloating out. -
SchroCat (
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07:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Lead
close friend Julia Turner — Seems that they were more than friends. What about "partner" or "life partner"?
Because the sources are not clear. They probably were a couple, but without clear steer from the sources (which is difficult because there is no evidence they were anything other than close friends), we can't go any further than what the sources say. -
SchroCat (
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21:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Early life and education: 1867–1910
Seems a bit odd to preface a section about 43 of the 53 years of a person's life with "early life"
Frances Murray and her children travelled to Edinburgh — What about Hildyard?
The source says "Frances Murray and her children returned to Scotland, and were living in Edinburgh in 1881"; I can't find any sources that include Hildyard. Being in the army he may have returned with them, or joined them later. -
SchroCat (
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07:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Is it correct to call Valentine Murray's "biographer"? I think of that as implying one who wrote a book, not an article.
Yes, I think so. The article is a biography of her, rather than about something else with odd snippets about her. ONDB editors are biographers too, and this isn't too far away. -
SchroCat (
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07:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Speaking of Valentine, she spends a really tortured paragraph trying to avoid calling Murray gay. Is there anything that is more direct about Murray's relationship with Turner?
As above, there is nothing in the sources that outlines the relationship, so we can't double guess to fill in the gap. -
SchroCat (
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21:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
a militant organisation for
women's suffrage which eschewed violence — In what ways is a non-violent militant group militant?
Breaking the law but not being violent about it - non-payment of taxes and chaining themselves to the railings of Parliament were two of the favoured tactics. -
SchroCat (
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07:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
29 of the statements also included details of violence that included indecency. — This is perhaps a bit too vague; after all, one might consider any violence against protesters to be per se indecent.
It could be handy to at least cite it; after all, most articles include the names of their subjects' significant publications. I was about to helpfully point you to its title and citation information, but seems like you have that well under control. --
Usernameunique (
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04:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
OK. I've added a footnote with the full title and the explanation that it wasn't under her name, but that of the conciliation committee. -
SchroCat (
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07:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oops, yes I did. I'll see if there is enough info to warrant an article and link it if there is. Thanks for pointing this out. -
SchroCat (
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07:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Are there any other sources (e.g., reviews, or retrospective commentary) discussing Married Love, or Murray's preface? It's a lot more frank that I would have expected for 1918. Also, did Murray publish anything else?
There is nothing discussing the preface, which is the only part we should be concerned with here; Married Love may be worth an article, but I don't know enugh about the subject, or the coverage of it, to know whether it meets GNG. -
SchroCat (
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References
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This isn't the Daily Chronicle article, but it's close, and has some extra information.
Thanks very much. Yes, unfortunately there are very limited sources for this one. I've addressed a couple of points, and will look at the remainder in the morning. Cheers -
SchroCat (
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21:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I think I've covered all the points - at least on a first sweep. Please let me know if I've missed any, or if you want further tweaks done. Cheers -
SchroCat (
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08:02, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks,
SchroCat. Looks good. I've left one suggestion above, along with a reminder about another that may have been missed. They're quite minor, however, so I'll go ahead and pass this now. --
Usernameunique (
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04:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Hello
SchroCat, Thank you for this page and well done. I wondered wether you could mention in the introduction that she was a trained doctor and worked as a doctor as soon as she obtained her MBBS in 1909. Best regards, --
Pierrette13 (
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17:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Pierrette13, that's very kind of you. I'll have a look at the sources again to see if they actually say she practiced from 1909 onwards (unless you have something to hand that we can use). Cheers -
SchroCat (
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18:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Hello
SchroCat, [Sorry, English is not my native language]. I have the same references as you. I wrote a page on the French-speaking Wikipedia
here, but a while ago (and I realized today that there was this page because of a modification on Wikidata). It seems to me that doctor and MD are different titles : she was allowed to practice medicine since her MBBS (for instance Raitt, 2004, p.6) and so she did, at 14 Endsleigh Street, and she belonged to several professional medical associations (Valentine, p.147). For instance
Donald Winnicott was a doctor, but never passed his MD. At that time, MD was a sort of research diploma. Best regards, --
Pierrette13 (
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18:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)reply