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The growth of Liberty U and supporting bond sale sections certainly belong in the Liberty University article. But what Falwell was doing in support of the growth/bond sales was not so remarkable. He was doing what any lawyer would do for his/her client. Including these activities is merely bolstering a non-notable BLP. -- S. Rich ( talk) 20:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Falwell was not merely a lawyer, but the head administrator at the institution. Do you find this to still be off topic? It seems like these achievements of the university are his legac at the institution and encyclopedic in nature. 71.254.94.170 ( talk) 22:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
A portrait picture (and any action pictures) improve an article. Where's the picture? -- AstroU ( talk) 12:14, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
This is not an unreasonable statement. He knows not everyone there will adhere.
Headline-1: LIBERTY PRESIDENT CALLS FOR AN ARMED CHRISTIAN CAMPUS
QUOTE: "Let's teach them a lesson if they ever show up here." -- AstroU ( talk) 12:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC) -- PS: FYI, New NEWS today, for future editing.
I changed the title in this Talk section as the other was inaccurate. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. This off-handed statement at convocation has not proven to be encyclopedic. There has only been one day of coverage and already the story is loosing interest. Additionally, the paragraph as currently written is non-neutral with slippery and misleading statements. The neither the content nor the paragraph are encyclopedic. Wolfy54 ( talk) 19:22, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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I do not think this section is appropriate to this article. The controversial part of the story only involves Trump. Saying that Trump should be forgiven is not controversial. University Presidents deny opinion pieces in student newspapers all the time, especially if the topic is already being covered elsewhere in the paper. Having alumni and students disagree with university leadership is commonplace. The "petition" is a Google Doc with some email addresses. Given that Liberty has 100,000+ annual student enrollment, it is not even a large amount of names. Falwell is a university president; endorsement of a political candidate is not unusual or controversial. He is not a pastor and never claimed to be one. Futhermore, it ends up dominating the page, which is unfortunate given that this is the page of a university president with 100,000+ enrollment and hundreds of millions of dollars in building projects, infrastructure upgrades and campus growth. This section should be deleted as giving undue coverage to an issue that is not encyclopedic for Jerry Falwell Jr. Wolfy54 ( talk) 17:35, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Please put in the names of his kids. Also, I'm looking at a photo of his family on twitter. It looks to me like one of his daughters-in-law may be mixed race. This seems significant, because there are memes circulating alleging that he is racist. It would be nice to have more information about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Please discuss. Chrisdevelop ( talk) 02:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
@
Chrisdevelop:
No, the Frontline interview, being an interview, is by definition a
WP:PRIMARY source. You have added
original interpretation of said interview to this article by saying that Falwell "appeared to support conversion therapy", and you have also editorialized somewhat by implying some of his statements (on conversion therapy and violence against gay people) are contradictory. That's not acceptable; per
WP:OR, Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source, and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors
(emphasis mine).
GorillaWarfare
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02:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
[Falwell] said that "ex-gays" had said, "They believe that they chose in and they chose out."I don't think it's clear at all what that this is meant to be conveying.
https://www.liberty.edu/news/2019/07/18/dr-a-pierre-guillermin-remembered-as-founding-leader-and-cherished-friend/ On Tuesday, July 16, 2019, Dr. A. Pierre Guillermin passed away at the age of 82. Dr. Guillermin served as President of Liberty University from 1971 to 1996 and as President Emeritus since his retirement in 1996
https://www.liberty.edu/news/2020/08/25/liberty-university-board-accepts-jerry-falwell-jr-s-resignation-as-president/ Falwell was the fourth president of Liberty University, assuming the role after his father, Liberty founder Dr. Jerry Falwell, Sr., passed away in 2007. antony.trupe ( talk) 14:57, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
The lead section contradicts the infobox as to the date of Falwell's departure from his Liberty University post. The lead correctly states that he resigned on Aug. 25, while the infobox incorrectly lists the date as Aug. 24. 24.29.56.240 ( talk) 23:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
According to this Politico article there are reports of a second accuser saying that there was a sexual misconduct allegation from 2008 and the accuser at the time was 22. This allegation describes Becki Falwell grabbing the male parts of the accuser. 73.71.164.202 ( talk) 00:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Starting a thread here and pinging
Keizers to discuss the inclusion of the name of the pool attendant. While it has been published by reliable sources (namely Reuters), I'm not convinced we ought to include it. Per
WP:BLPNAME: Caution should be applied when identifying individuals who are discussed primarily in terms of a single event. When the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed, such as in certain court cases or occupations, it is often preferable to omit it, especially when doing so does not result in a significant loss of context. When deciding whether to include a name, its publication in secondary sources other than news media, such as scholarly journals or the work of recognized experts, should be afforded greater weight than the brief appearance of names in news stories. Consider whether the inclusion of names of living private individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value.
(emphasis mine). I don't see any compelling reason to add his name, and the policy instructs that we should err on the side of caution/privacy.
GorillaWarfare
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04:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians - I just created a redirect for the name of the person involved pointing to the subsection for 2020 controversy, and did not read this discussion until after I created it. If that redirect needs to be deleted, temporarily or otherwise, I would understand, and I can go with whatever the consensus is here. KConWiki ( talk) 23:58, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Name is not relevant at all, but the actual events that caused the subjects resignation are of course relevant to the article? I literally cant see any reason anyone would say they were not without a POV bias? I think the editors on this article have been first class, it has been added in a professional manner, with all sources listed. Plus they have protected the page while this plays out. A big well done from me! 2A00:23C4:201:5F00:AC57:F29D:C08F:85A1 ( talk) 09:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC) PS can anyone tell me what these curly lines are called and where they are on an average keyboard!? New to Wiki much
Sorry signed in now, plus how do I indent? Giant-Dwarfs ( talk) 10:03, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Here is more on the Jerry Falwell allegations involving the Pool Boy as of September 2020 2601:640:C600:3C20:C11:2D92:48AB:C99C ( talk) 17:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
This article is yet another reason why Wikipedia is an incredibly biased source, to the point of not reflecting the actual state of reality or actual events. The article describes Falwell as posting a "racist tweet," with the clear insinuation that Falwell had racist intentions with the tweet. A *cursory* investigation of the linked article, and the NPR article linked from *that* article, indicates that Falwell's tweet showed the governor in "blackface." The governor was the object of the tweet. The Tweet was not a "racist tweet," and to the contrary was attempting to use the governor's history of blackface in an attempt to *discredit* the governor.
I'm not even a fan of Falwell, but that should not and does not matter when it comes to reporting accurately and honestly. Especially when it comes to a living person.
I used to love Wikipedia, and I've always donated to this site. Even though I still consider it to be a wonderful idea, it's clearly saturated with idealogical bias and dishonesty. It's such a damn shame. Edsanville ( talk) 20:56, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
search: Jerry Falwell Brandon Ambrosino site:politico.com