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I might do a search to see if a free online version exists, later on. You can help by being faster than me. :) --
ΟΥΤΙΣ (
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20:10, 31 July 2021 (UTC)reply
No, disregard that, I apparently misunderstood: The (anecdotal) poetry is part of how he wrote his chronicles, right? We already have an online link for that in the article, pointing to dunphy.de, courtesy of Mister Loon himself. --
ΟΥΤΙΣ (
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20:14, 31 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Are there no preserved church records from Vienna of this period that might have recorded his birth, baptism, wedding and / or death? --
ΟΥΤΙΣ (
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03:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)reply
How is Jans mentioned by someone else if he was the official scribe?
(Just had a little Columbo moment when this question came to my mind.)
If Jans was Vienna's town scribe of the period and is mentioned in the city council's records, shouldn't he be the one mentioning himself there, too?
I see that it's hard to do with a few surviving 700 years old documents, but did anyone ever try and compare the handwriting to see if any are by the same author? --
ΟΥΤΙΣ (
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10:05, 1 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Brilliant question. I have no idea what Perger was looking at, but it is quite possible we have Jans' handwriting in some of the Vienna council documents. However I don't think there will be an autograph manuscript of the either of chronicles - even the earliest manuscripts were produced in a workshop, which is rather like a medieval publishing house, and the actual writing is the work of professional scribes. There are medieval writers whose work exists in autograph, but almost certainly not Jans. --
Doric Loon (
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17:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
For the most part, this is a yes. but there is one sentence that doesn't quite make sense in the "Name and Biography" section: Evidence outwith his own writings...
Shearonink (
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16:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)reply
For the most part, this is a Yes as well but "Notes and Biography" should probably be "Notes and biography", should be stated in sentence case, not title case (see
MOS:HEADINGS.)
Shearonink (
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16:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Are "Geith, Karl-Ernst (1980). "Enikel, Jans". Verfasserlexikon. Vol. II. cols. 565–569." and Boudreau's The Myth of Pope Joan available at all online? Also, please see my most recent Response below.
Shearonink (
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15:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)reply
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
For the most part, this is a Yes. There is one phrase that seems somewhat POV. In the Weltchronik section, why does the article comment in Wikipedia's voice stating (oddly not the New)? If a source isn't stating that, why does the article? Would like an explanation on that issue.
Shearonink (
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05:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Almost everything is a Yes now. I went ahead and adjusted the goose-roaster statement for
WP:TONE. Any subscription/paywall reference/s need to be delineated out before I go any further. I will give the article another deep-read or two to see if I have missed any GA issues, but barring any new issues that I might find, I am certain I will be able to assess this article as a
WP:GA.
Shearonink (
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15:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Response
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Shearonink: Many thanks for restarting this GA review. I have changed the sentences you mentioned: let me know if that is now clearer. We said "oddly not the new" because normally medieval Christian writers would see Jesus as the central figure of history, but he is simply omitted by Jans. However I don't have a source for that, so have just deleted the observation - it's not so important here. --
Doric Loon (
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09:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Shearonink - OK, I think I've fixed that, but you'd better check I have really done what you want. BTW, if you want to see that article, I have it as a JPEG, and I have some of the other literature as PDFs. At present I have no way to send those to you, but I have just sent you an e-mail, and if you reply to it, I can mail you with attachments. Just let me know what, if anything, you need. --
Doric Loon (
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16:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)reply
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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... that the 13th-century Austrian chronicler Jans der Enikel characterized
Richard the Lionheart as a "noble goose-roaster"? Source: Morgan, Estelle (1965). "Two notes on the Fürstenbuch". Modern Language Review. 60: 395–399.
ALT1: ... that in the 13th-century world chronicle written by the Austrian Jans der Enikel, the emperor
Nero gives birth to a toad? Source: Zapperi, Roberto (1979). L'uomo incinto [The pregnant man] (in Italian). Rome.
New enough GA. Fewer than five DYK credits; no QPQ required. Hooks check out (AGF on the offline, Italian source for ALT1). No other textual issues. Good to go.
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17:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)reply