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Janet’s singles discography is woefully under-represented in terms of her chart feats. I tried to make a small edit today by adding US Adult R&B Songs data to her 2010s section, but it appears to have been removed. Yet she has a Number 1 Single on that chart and all of her singles in the 2010s have charted there.
The only place in Janet’s discography that US Dance Club Songs is listed is under the promotional singles area, yet she has charted Number 1s on this chart across 4 decades... 19 in total. How is it NOT included in her mainstream singles charting data?
And where is the chart data from U.K. R&B, South Africa or Japan? This really needs to be updated. Wayneashleymusic ( talk) 06:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
If a part of the policy stated that exceptions should be allowed for legendary artists, then I would agree. However, I've been editing music related pages for ten years, and I can assure you that such exceptions and/or policies do not exist. What you see on the discographies you mention are not exceptions, they are disruptions to the policy. Let me state again in case you missed what I said above, you can add your desired charts to the tables on the pages of the singles. In fact, you can add as many as you'd like as no restrictions apply to those tables. Having 10 chart columns is more than enough to illustrate the performance of the listed singles. After all, R&B and Dance charts are not designed to represent the sales performance of the singles, The Billboard Hot 100 is, which we already have.-- Harout72 ( talk) 01:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Gladly. Wayneashleymusic ( talk) 21:47, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
3O Response: I recognize the problem of the table growing out of control, but I'm actually more concerned about it creating
bias by over-representing performance in the U.S., as if to say that other countries don't matter as much. Also,
WP:SUMMARYSTYLE should be applied here. As has been mentioned, the individual articles for albums and singles (when they are notable enough to justify such) can have additional chart data; I don't feel that this list article should repeat all of that. So, my non-binding third opinion is to not expand the charts with additional columns for U.S. Adult R&B Songs, or other secondary U.S. rankings.
I would also note that this discussion involves what I think of as editing by policy vs editing by practise. There are a lot of policies and guidelines, and even veteran editors aren't going to know all of them. Most editors simply try to repeat what they see practised in other articles. And usually that's fine. But the policies and guidelines are there for a reason, they're the result of considered discussions and represent the collective wisdom of the community. They aren't always applied uniformly but its generally better to follow them unless there is a good reason not to do so. –
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I am writing to provide chart run sources from the actual Canadian Top Singles chart showing that Runaway has only ever managed to peak at #2 and not #1 in Canada, no 3rd party sources just straight from the Canadian charts themselves provided by RPM back in the 90s and archived by the Library and Archives Canada government. It seems the mistake in listing it as a #1 single in Canada stemmed from the confusion in it peaking at #1 only on the Canadian Adult Contemporary charts, which is a component chart and not the main overall singles chart.
Week 1 - September 18th, 1995: Debuts at #90
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2761&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2761.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2761
Week 2 - September 25th, 1995: charts at #76
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.8527&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.8527.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.8527
Week 3 - October 2nd, 1995: charts at #72
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2768&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2768.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2768
Week 4 - October 9th, 1995: charts at #60
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2775&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2775.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2775
Week 5 - October 16th, 1995: charts at #53
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2781&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2781.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2781
Week 6 - October 23rd, 1995: charts at #34
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2787&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2787.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2787
Week 7 - October 30th, 1995: charts at #25
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2794&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2794.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2794
Week 8 - November 6th, 1995: charts at #18
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2801&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2801.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2801
Week 9 - November 13th, 1995: charts at #5
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2807&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2807.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2807
Week 10 - November 20th, 1995: charts at #2 (PEAK)
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2813&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2813.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2813
Week 11 - November 27th, 1995: charts at #2 (2nd week at PEAK POSITION)
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2819&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2819.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2819
Week 12 - December 4th, 1995: charts at #3
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2827&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2827.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2827
Week 13 - December 11th, 1995: charts at #4
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2833&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2833.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2833
Week 14/End Of Year chart week - December 18th, 1995: ranked at #32 for the year-end Top Hit Singles chart
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2840&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2840.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2840
Week 15 & 16 - January 8th, 1996: charts at #11 (shows it was at #9 the previous week)
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2851&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2851.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2851
Week 17 - January 15th, 1996: charts at #16
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2858&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2858.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2858
Week 18 - January 22nd, 1996: charts at #27
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2864&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2864.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2864
Week 19 - January 29th, 1996: charts at #44
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2872&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2872.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2872
Week 20 - February 5th, 1996: charts at #55
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2878&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2878.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2878
Week 21 - February 12th, 1996: charts at #62
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2885&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2885.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2885
Week 22 - February 19th, 1996: charts at #88 (final week on the chart before falling out of the top 100)
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2892&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2892.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2892
As you can see from the single's 22-week run on the charts, it only managed to peak at #2 for two weeks before it started falling down, thus it was never a #1 single on Canada's main overall singles chart which was the Top Singles chart. Below is the source to show the single only peaked at #1 on the Adult Contemporary charts in Canada, also provided by the RPM and archived by the Library and Archives Canada government.
November 13th, 1995: charts at #1 (PEAK)
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/films-videos-sound-recordings/rpm/Pages/image.aspx?Image=nlc008388.2802&URLjpg=http%3a%2f%2fwww.collectionscanada.gc.ca%2fobj%2f028020%2ff4%2fnlc008388.2802.gif&Ecopy=nlc008388.2802
Therefore from all the sources shown above, the chart peak for Runaway's single in Canada should be changed to #2 given all her other Canadian single chart peaks are based on the Top Singles chart, not the Adult Contemporary charts. -- 15:17, 9 December 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.39.135 ( talk)