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Kopp killed, in cold blood, in order to make doctors who might perform abortions fear for their lives. Thus, he fits the classic definition of "terrorist." Thus, rather than using non-encyclopedic phrasing such as "Kopp was convicted of the murder of Dr..." in the first line, I reverted it to "Kopp is a Christian terrorist who was convicted..." I don't see why anyone would find that POV. He is what he is--a terrorist, pure and simple.-- RattBoy 13:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
And when Dr. Slepian was murdering unborn babies, did he do that with warm, sweet, and tender blood??? I don't think so! Dr. Slepian is a baby-murderer and he got exactly what he deserved. James Kopp did the world a favor. God bless the two people, who helped him stay on the run. -- TripleH1976 21:53 p.m., 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Rattboy, I dispute the "terrorist" label. It's not that I find it POV, it's that I find it unsubstantiated. Has Kopp admitted to this motive in killing Slepian? From what I've read, he stated he was trying to wound him to prevent him from performing abortions in the future. That is not terrorism.
And TripleH, you're an idiot. That's not POV. Thedukeofno 17:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone find his official inmate page? I can't. Tim Long 23:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
The article fails to say anything coherent about the legal issue of intentionality, which is central here. I'm not complaining about the previous editors - the lack of legal perspective simply reflects the fact that the press has no clue about these things, either.
Intentionality in the law usually runs to the act, not its results. In other words, if you try to inflict bodily harm upon a person, and accidentally go too far and kill them, it is a murder. I know that much. Saying "I only meant to hurt him!" to the police is the classic way of convicting yourself of murder, because it admits both the act and the intent to harm. However, what we are looking at here is slightly different because:
1) Kopp appears to be using the "I didn't mean to kill him!" defense not with respect to intentionality per se, but with respect to the additional element of premeditation (which is what distinguishes second degree murder from first degree murder in most jurisdictions). I do not know whether this makes any difference, but I doubt it. Either way it's a question that would be nice to address.
2) Something is also funny with regard to the premeditation issue, because if you read the article, it sounds like the only crime with which Kopp is charged is violation of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances. But the Act, while it does provide for potential life imprisonment in case of the victim's death, does not require malice or premeditation as an element in order to impose this sentence. Nor does it delineate a separate, more severe form of the crime where premeditation is involved. There is no mention of premeditation or malice anywhere in the Act.
I suspect that what is happening here is that since Kopp is defending himself, he has no idea what he is doing and is shooting himself in the foot. He is conflating "premeditation" with "intent", and then mistaking what "intent" means under the law.
So my question is, if I were to dig around in the statutes and case law and be able to establish definitely that this is the case, and write something identifying the relevant points of law while sticking very close to the textual sources, that would be okay, right? Not original research? The implications (Kopp's defense is a bunch of BS) are extremely obvious, but I would not draw those implications in the article. I would only identify raw legal facts.
The reason I ask is that these facts, while easily sourced, do not appear to be known by the public at large (due to the media's unsophisticated approach to legal issues), and might be thought surprising.
Drake Dun 06:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I was instructed to look at this talk page to find out why a link to Christian terrorism is innapropriate for this page, and I find that rationale entirely lacking. Where is the discussion on this? Finding none, I will give my reasons why I am going to reinsert the link:
It may not be an ongoing discussion but for what it is worth I agree that Koop fits the definition of terrorist. I think that if people who disagree were to actually look at the definition of terrorism they might change their tunes, or perhaps their ideology won't let them. Ninahexan ( talk) 04:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Soon after his death, the anti-Defamation League released a statement expressing concern about the likelihood that Slepian's murder had an antisemitic element to it, given the fact that Slepian was also Jewish. [1] ADM ( talk) 05:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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