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Just a clarification, NPOV generally means taking no sides or at the very least recognizing both sides of the situation, not just the pro-Singh POV. I've edited away the extreme POV of the Concordia passage and if I have time I'll do it for others, feel free to make adjustments from a true NPOV stance. djheart 20:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the edits, they are all fine. This has actually been one of my most positive editing exchange experiences. Thanks. djheart 03:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Nothing else that I find disputable but I must admit that my knowledge of his West Coast entanglements is limited. djheart 05:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I've just added a tag disputing the neutrality of the article. Notably, police do not "kidnap" people, they take them into custody. I'm no fan of the New York Daily News, but saying they did something "falsely" is different from saying they did something "incorrectly". The article is also in dramatic need of citations. Thoughts?
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I agree that the article feels very biased, even now in 2019 after his arrest in Punjab in 2018. Are there any users still working on this project? Classikhgirl ( talk) 22:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
No slant. Naomi Klein was actually at the Summit, speaking to Jaggi on a cellphone moments before he was kidnapped. Numerous bystanders witnessed the event. There is even videotape of the attack which was broadcast by the CBC on the newsmagazine program The Fifth Estate on November 21, 2001. One article with a photo can be found here: [1]. Save your grains of salt for Falwell, who incidently, has nothing in common with Klein.-- Foamy Latte 08:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC) 08:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
When police fail to identify themselves as police and do not inform you that you are under arrest before snatching you off a street and throwing you into a van, that is not an "arrest" - it is a "kidnapping" or at the very least an "illegal detention".
Much ado has been made about providing sources for this article, which I went to painstaking effort to do, only to have all of them removed by someone reverting to an earlier edit. What is the point of claiming that sources are needed and then disregarding those provided? If only mainstream newspapers are acceptable sources, what is the point of having Wikipedia?
There are numerous other problems with the article as it currently appears, including using the word "alleged" before Singh's statement about the court's opnion on the testimony of security guards. If the court dismissed the charges against Singh, it is logical that the judge found Singh's version of events much more credible. A transcript of the court proceedings would confirm this.
Someone who is forcibly removed from a location and detained has been either 'arrested' or 'kidnapped' depending on the perspective of each person involved and how they choose to frame their respective situation. When the police perform this action, it's called "arresting", when civilians do the exact same thing, it's called "kidnapping". Note the actual physical event is the same. To say "police don't 'kidnap' people, they take them into custody" is ludicrous doublespeak. Choosing how to frame and desribe this will always be from a point of view; in other words, non neutral. By calling what happned to Jaggi Singh "arrested", the incident gets described according to the government's own frame of reference. That's taking sides, i.e. a point of view; therefore non neutral. The same goes for 'war criminal'. Milosovich, for example, is heralded a war criminal, yet that is no less a politically charged term when it is applied to Bush, Kissinger or whomever, than when it is applied by a person dressed up in official judge's garb. These are all loaded terms. Political institutions and the concepts they employ are not neutral, but represent a point of view. Wikipedia's reliance on what it deems "reputable" sources and "peer" [pressure] review publications shows itself to be a non neutral position, since all mainstream news media (as one such political institution) is biased. The whole attempt at non neutrality is mired in self contradiction, particularly when it comes to political articles.-- Foamy Latte 17:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I removed this text as it was not in the actual title of the cbc article and is misleading.
I certainly think that Singh is important enough to be included. But right now the article is mostly a list of his arrests, etc. More like what I'd expect in the Ronnie Dobbs article. If anyone has any info about the person to add, that would be great. But do we really need to keep the whole "rap sheet" up here? -- JGGardiner 05:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
It does seem that most of Singh's history involves being arrested. However, I can't see any reason to take that information down. Jaggi Singh is continually at odds with the law, wherever he goes. That's a fact, and it's pretty much why he's famous. None of the articles I've read about him mention anything articulate or persuasive about the causes he represents, it seems that everything said about him has to to with how poorly the cops treat him... poor Jaggi, wherever he goes, there are riots and violence and laws he can't help but break, he's a martyr to coincidence.
This last bit at the end of the previous entry is quite inaccurate. Jaggi was involved in the Alternative book shop (now replaced by the Librairie Insoumise) up to about 2002. Even then, he hardly "ran" it, as it was a collective. He did have some nominal involvement in the crisis that lead to the demise and replacement of the Alternative book shop, hence the bits I added about this. I'm a member of the Insoumise book store and before the book store crisis was a friend of Jaggi's. -Bern
Something should be added about his recent "pre-emptive" arrest at a press conferance of prime minister Harper. When I'm back home after the weekend I'll try to find the articles if no one else has. Dan Carkner 16:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Fixed "the" repeat. That's it. Luciferos 20:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
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