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The article opens by describing the attack as "terrorist". Especially in the present context, that term is far from neutral. Please edit for neutrality.
W.edelberg (
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18:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)reply
It may be worth adding a controversy heading to address neutrality concerns. This would allow for addressing the Amnesty International consideration of the attacks as a war crime, while also addressing the terrorism language from the Israelis. Just a thought.
JW907AK (
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18:35, 31 October 2023 (UTC)reply
In addition, multiple news sources have reported that the purpose of the Israeli airstrikes on the Jabalya refugee camp was to kill senior Hamas leader Ibrahim Biari. This is a report that should be included in the article. Another point is that the Israeli Defense Force has issued multiple warnings over several weeks for Palestinians to evacuate from northern Gaza southwards of the Wadi Gazi for their own safety. — Preceding
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Balancedviews (
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08:19, 1 November 2023 (UTC)reply
NPOV
The only claims presented in this article are from Hamas or Hamas-controlled organs of state. Hardly neutral and independent, and the fact that this does not include independent or the Israeli perspective present serious NPOV concerns. Added POV tag.
Longhornsg (
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19:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I just added an Israeli claim and several accounts from survivors speaking to France24. It's hard to input exact tolls and sources when only Palestinian officials and media report on the airstrike and it's casualties. There are several videos from independent media
[1][2], showing civilian casualties and injuries, along with the destruction of the market, but none give an exact toll or numbers.
Jebiguess (
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21:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)reply
There were airstrikes on both the 9th and the 12th; the title should probably be plural. I changed the section descriptions to include the dates. (It's more clear there should be two sections now that the toll from the second strike is known to have been higher.) –
SJ +15:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)reply
fake news
"On October 19th, the camp was hit by a third airstrike, killing 18 refugees."
The source provided claims "18 Palestinians killed in Israeli air strikes on Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp". It doesn't say " 18 refugees". It can be 18 rocket launchers who were firing form the camp. If you make up things, so why not say "18 terrorists"?
192.114.1.66 (
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16:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The October 31 attack on the Jabaliya refugee camp should be a separate article, as that attack is significant both militarily (Israel says it killed key Hamas leader) and the sheer number of casualties.VRtalk23:06, 31 October 2023 (UTC)reply
I think Wikipedia will lose credibility if it think Mads Gilbert's opinion of the the 31 October bombing is an impartial or important piece of information. There's a one in a trillion chance he would ever NOT label an Israeli attack as a massacre.
Whether he is 100% right or not, he is known for his extremist views, such as saying the September 11 attacks were justifiable (later "retracted"). He has been a prominent anti-Israel activist and Hamas ally for well over a decade.
1.129.108.0 (
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02:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)reply
No Wiki voice please
@
BilledMammal: You has been advised elsewhere, on the TP of the US support for the Israel-Hamas war, not to wiki voice the POVs, as you
did again. Please be careful to make proper attributions whenever needed. --
Mhhosseintalk16:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Regarding the attack on the 9th of October the source is listed as Hamas and numbers the dead at 50 of civilians killed. The source used to support this claim states "At least 493 Palestinians had been killed in Israeli bombardments on the blockaded enclave since Saturday, according to a ministry death toll published earlier on Monday." No where in this article is Hamas a source of the dead, nor is the number 50 used.
RaisedEyebrow (
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00:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Done Removed it, agree source does not support statement. No distinction between civilian and other dead, or mention of 50. The
Gaza Health Ministry(mentioned in this source) can be understood to be Hamas as Hamas is the government (like you could say the US government said something if the US CDC said something), but we already have a following sentence saying "Gaza's health ministry declined to give a full estimate, but reported "dozens" of dead and wounded". We also already have the NYT source with a different death toll so having a conflicting one is not beneficial. The 493 number could potentially be used somewhere but not specifically for 9 October
Cannolis (
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20:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2023
Sources from Al-Jazeera should be labeled as Qatari State run media. Al-Jazeera has a history of using its media reach and financial resources to influence public opinion as was the case during the Arab Spring.
Infoseeker420 (
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03:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Can we move this to "Jabalia refugee camp airstrikes, 2023"?
This should be an uncontroversial move? But since hardly anything is uncontroversial in th IP area, I'm asking if anyone object. The reason I ask is that over at commons there are a lot of pictures from the 2009 Jabalia bombing/strikes,
Huldra (
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23:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)reply