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Kronix1986 Can you please explain why you (and a couple of others) keep changing the actual word used to the vague "racial slur" wording? Wikipedia is not censored; and the full word used gives complete context to the user instead of a vague buzzword that then requires additional searching to find out. This is how it was done with
Kyle Larson's article. -
"GhostofDan Gurney"13:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
It's simple: it's not clear where he says "nigga" or "nigger". That will be determined by the investigation. Anybody claiming he said one or the other is inserting their opinion into what is more appropriately termed a "racial slur".
What's not in doubt, as said in multiple sources, is that he said "the n-word". The vague "racial slur" wording is therefore even more inappropriate since it does not give the full context. If we want, we can clarify in the article that it's unclear whether he said "a" or "er". -
"GhostofDan Gurney"17:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I do agree with Dan's ghost here. However, I'm not sure why there's a debate around whether he said "nigga" or "nigger". Verbally there's no difference, and "nigga" appears to be white washing it somewhat. I also think the distinction is irrelevant - when people hear "the n-word" they think of the word ending in "er". I'd urge us to be explicit in using the word he used. — Czello18:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
If "nigga" is what he said then it's not whitewashing, what matters is what the reliable sources say though. At the moment the existing source says racial slur or "n-word". This is a
WP:BLP so care should be taken with what is written, let's not automatically assume he used the "hard R" which is unquestionably worse than the already incredibly poor taste "nigga". For now unless other sources can be found that clearly states what variation of the word he used, it should simply state "n-word" or "racial slur." The former is better in my opinion as it is less vague.
TylerBurden (
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18:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Sources differ but most of the reliable ones state he said the one ending in "a", as an advanced Google search corroborates. That's also what it sounds like (to me at least) on the clip. If there's no consensus I'd ultimately suggest reverting it back to "using a racial slur".
MSport1005 (
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20:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
But that does not address the concerns of vagueness that editors have brought up with using this wording. If it's clear that he at least said "the n-word", then the wording in the article needs to be more specific than just "a racial slur". -
"GhostofDan Gurney"20:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
As long as we're including the word, I think that's what matters rather than being vague. I'm still unsure why there's such a focus on using "nigga" rather than "nigger", but if there are more sources that indicate this I think it's reasonable to include. — Czello21:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
From my stance, simply using just the "a racial slur" term is simply to make it sound more "neutral" for lack of a better term from my standpoint. Same with Kyle Larson's article. I have not edited the article since then for fear of this happening. Replies will be a bit delayed since I am at work right now but just offering my two cents.{{SUBST:Grunty89/sig}} 04:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
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Juri Vips' contract as test amd reserve driver for RBR and AT was terminated in June 29th over racist remarks he made online on a stream.
103.119.66.66 (
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17:37, 28 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Well... They seem quite amateur, website looks like it hasn't been updated since 1996 and it literally announces a random Fulham-Liverpool game at the top. They also very rarely talk about anything other than football gossip and rumours, they aren't known in the motorsport industry and have a very scarce following, with over 80% of their Twitter followers being bots. So yeah, I'd say they're worse than PlanetF1. Actually the fact that PlanetF1 trusts them proves they aren't reliable either.
MSport1005 (
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21:30, 5 August 2022 (UTC)reply
And what about these other two sources saying that Horner has finally backed down and that Vips is no longer part of the Red Bull Junior Programme? Are they reliable?
https://www.is.fi/formula1/art-2000008955464.html
or well, I have found an article from soymotor.com and another from ERR news that talk about it and mention that the quote comes from an interview with ORF Tirol, but I am unable to find that interview (I don't speak German haha). Do these sources work?