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There is currently discussion of a creating a Jèrriais or Norman Wikipedia The Jade Knight 19:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 10:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Apparently there are unambiguous and self-descriptive English names for this language. According to general WP policy, the article name should therefor be based on them.
I propose moving the article to "Jersey Norman language". The "Jersey" is self-descriptive and understood by many English speakers (unlike "Jèrriais" which is a French langauge term). The "Norman" part distinguishes it from the Jersey dialects of French and English, and also gives the reader a clue about the language's famous closest relative.
The "language" part is standard WP nomenclature, which is being implemented gradually for most other languages; its purpose is to clearly distinguish the language from a possible ethnic group "Jersey Norman people". By convention, the word is used in the technical linguistic sense, which includes creoles, dialects, variants, etc.. Jorge Stolfi 14:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
This article could use a pronunciation chart utilizing the IPA. Birt doesn't provide IPA, and it would be helpful to understand what sounds occur in the language (particularly for the vowels). The Jade Knight 08:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I've gone and tried to figure out IPA equivalents for Jèrriais vowels. I know there's a lot of variety, but I'm trying to get at least a general or "standard" sense. The following chart is what I've come up with, but I'm not fluent in Jèrriais, and my IPA transcription skills aren't perfect, either, so I'd appreciate corrections if anyone has them:
Written Form | IPA pronunciation |
---|---|
a | /a/ |
â | /ɑ:/ |
é (-et, -er, è, -ai-, -ai) | /e/ or /ɛ/ (depending on dialect) |
ée (-és, -ets, -ez, -aie, imp. & cond. endings -ait, -ais, -aient) | /e/ |
ê (eî) | /ɛ:/ |
è | /ɛ/ |
ei | /æ/ or /ɛ/ |
eu | /œ/ , in East /ø/ |
eû | /œ:/ , in East /øy/ or /aj/, in North West /ɑ:/ |
i, y | /i/; /ɪ/ when followed by -nne |
î (-ie, -is, -i, -ix, -its) | /i:/ |
o | /o/ |
ô (-o, -os, (ê)au(x)) | /o:/ or frequently /o:w/ |
oeu | as [eu], above. |
ou | /u/. When [ou] precedes another vowel, it is a consonant (see above) |
oû (-oue, -ous, ouz) | /u:/ (diphthong in East /o:w/ or /a:w/ per Jones) |
u | /y/ |
û | /y:/ |
an or en | /ɑ̃/ |
ân, an(C)s or en(C)s | /ɑ̃:/ |
in | /ẽ/ (or /ĩ/) |
în | /ẽ:/ (or /ĩ:/) |
on | /õ/ or /ũ/ (depending on dialect) (Jones suggests /õw/ in East) |
ôn, on(C)s | /õ:/ or /ũ:/ (depending on dialect) (Jones suggests /õ:w/ in East) |
ain, ein, ien | /ɛ̃/ |
un | /ø̃/ or /ũ/ (Spence and Jones go for /ø̃/) |
un(C)s, eun(C)s | /ø̃:/ or /ũ:/ (Spence and Jones go for /ø̃:/) |
So, how close am I? (I might go grab Mari Jones' book from the library again some time to see if she gave any transcriptions) The Jade Knight 01:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Jèrriais! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre ( talk) 20:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
There has been so much confusion over this issue, that I'm tempted to create a section here discussion the ways that Jèrriais is not simply a French dialect. Would there be support for this? The Jade Knight ( talk) 05:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
This article has been selected as the language of the month over at Portal:Language. The Jade Knight ( talk) 01:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jèrriais/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jèrriais/subpage
In the following sentence, the Norman/Jèrriais/French comparison is unclear: "However the palatalization of /k/ before front vowel produced different results in the Norman dialect that developed into Jèrriais than in French."
For clarity, the words 'than in French' need to be moved, but I am puzzled as to how to rewrite the sentence. In 'good' grammar, results 'differ from' others, but don't 'differ than' others. Very little stumps me when rewriting for clarity; this tangle appears to be a first ! Kgrad ( talk) 13:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC) |
Last edited at 13:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 20:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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The States of Jersey have voted to make Jèrriais an official language of the parliament, and to promote bilingual signage:
https://twitter.com/StatesAssembly/status/1095342246738591745
https://twitter.com/StatesAssembly/status/1095341682868940801
Culloty82 ( talk) 16:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The following comment is very confusing, and I'm not sure what the author is actually attempting to say other than their dislike for calling Jèrriais a mixture of French and Norse. Can it be clarified? <<Although Jèrriais is occasionally misleadingly described as a mixture of Norse and French, it would be more linguistically accurate to state that when the Norse-speaking Normans (lit. North-man) conquered the territory that is now called Normandy they started speaking the langue d'oïl of their new subjects. The Norman language is therefore basically a Romance language with a certain amount of vocabulary of Norse origin, plus later loanwords from other languages.>>
if someone is able to clean up the audio sample ( which sounds like it was recorded in the corner of a very busy pub ) it would really improve the listening aspect for this article thank you 2607:F2C0:EC94:38C0:91F2:DDD7:D160:E025 ( talk) 11:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)