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Arran can hardly have been granted to the 'Lord of the Isles' in 1263, for the simple reason that there was no Lord of the Isles. The first man so called was Good John of Islay in the fourteenth century. Rcpaterson 05:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you are quite wrong. The designation Lord of the Isles was not an 'official Scottish title' in the sense that it was awarded by the crown; it was self-assumed by the chiefs of Clan Donald, and only later aquired formal recognition. The first man to use the title was John of Islay in a letter he sent to Edward III in 1336, where he described himself as Dominus Insularum -'Lord of the Isles.' I know that the traditional histories of Clan Donald argue that his predecessors, like Angus Og, were also Lords of the Isles, but this is not the case, and it is quite unhistorical to argue the contrary. In the past they had been awarded a variety of honours, the most prestigious of which was ri Innse Gall-King of the Hebrides, the title held by Somerled. Angus Og, who fought with Bruce at Bannockburn was only ever known as 'of Islay.'
The political context in which John of Islay assumed the title is also highly significant. Edward Balliol, with the support of the English King, was attempting to secure his uncertain title to the Scottish crown, making lavish promises of land grants to John in return for his help. John accepted the land, but clearly having no confidence in Edward Balliol, sought confirmation from Edward III, who was also Dominus Hibernie-Lord of Ireland. Here was one prince talking to another. John was quite deliberately taking on a semi-regal title to define himself in a far grander way than the other supporters of Balliol
I really have no wish to enter into one of these arcane-and pointless-discussion over semantics, all too common in these talk pages; but I do have to emphasize that while there were always lords in the Isles there were only ever four chiefs of Clan Donald who enjoyed the title of Dominus Insularum.
There is also, I have to say, not a trace of evidence that Arran was ever granted to the lords of Islay.
Rcpaterson 22:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Please note article catacol whitebeam - about tree recently discovered which is unique to Arran. -- MacRusgail 15:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Although its probably true that "The most popular beer is the Arran Blonde" I can't see an obvious reference to that on the current version of website cited. Hilariously this states: "Unfortunately, our beer (both bottled and in Poly & Mini pins) is only available to customers in Mainland UK. We apologise for any inconvenience caused." Bad news for locals I imagine. Ben MacDui Talk/ Walk 18:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
That's curious. It's been a while, but my favorite beer clearing house had a few dusty bottles of Arran Ale in 2006-2007 or so, and that was on the east coast of the united states. A great beer if i remember rightly. - MalkavianX ( talk) 18:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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Shame the little bit of up-to-date publicity for the brewery was removed! I for one am looking forward to the new Arran Brewery brands! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.213.165 ( talk) 23:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Should we try and make Arran the DA page? I just landed there, a bit baffled. As an ancient historical area in Persia, I'm not sure for the rational of it being the direct page. Akerbeltz ( talk) 12:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I think there is a case for "Arran" being the current Isle of Arran page and the Persian one being renamed. Ben Mac Dui 13:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
2/09 1/09 12/08 Isle of Arran: 4661 4999 3924 Arran: 1097 1192 1087
Well, the dab page was moved to Arran as we requested, and following extensive discussion the historical region has been moved to Arran (Caucasus). I've now completely cleaned up all the incorrect links to Arran (mostly from my NSH002 account), so I reckon that finally completes the task. Good job, everybody. -- NSH001 ( talk) 13:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is wide-ranging in scope, is well-illustrated and appears to be well-reference. It apears to stand a good chance of making GA, but I need to do the full reveiw before making that decision. Pyrotec ( talk) 11:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
A comprehensive, wide-ranging article
An impressive article. I'm awarding GA-status as it stands. However, as a "geography" article, I would have expected to see the usual table on weather, i.e. temperatures and rainfall, but the scope is sufficently broad for me to pass the article as it stands. You may wish to consider WP:FAC - it probably needs more work to get through that. Pyrotec ( talk) 22:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
What is tagged, the fact she lives on Arran or the fact she's a well known singer? Dunno if it counts but she has a site [1]. Akerbeltz ( talk) 00:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll try and create a stub over the weekend. Too busy tonight and tomorrow I'm afraid. Akerbeltz ( talk) 22:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Correct me if I am wrong but because the council houses are in Lamlash, does that make it the capital rather than Brodick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Culldude ( talk • contribs) 12:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
This near title redirects to Aran Islands [now], a 1900 reference used the name in an unqualified manner. The Penny cyclopædia has this after the entry on " Arran",
ARRAN, ISLES OF, a cluster at the entrance of Galway Bay on the west coast of Ireland, sometimes called the South Isles of Arran, to distinguish them from the island of Arranmore off the coast of Donegal, which is sometimes called North Arran. [2]
… so it goes. This needs some careful diambigs and notes [cross posted] cygnis insignis 18:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for letting us know. Is there anything you think needs added to the hatnote here? Ben Mac Dui 12:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The current article claims; "After the 1975 reorganisation of local government Arran became part of the district of Argyll and Bute in Strathclyde Region."
After 1975 Arran was part of Cunninghame district of Strathclyde region (and not Argyll and Bute district) see the Cunninghame page of Wikipedia 194.176.105.53 ( talk) 14:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
calling the clearances ethnic cleansing is a bit of a stretch. the loss of Gaelic culture was an unintended consequence. this is just ridiculous. the suggestion is offensive to real victims of ethnic cleansing. Tinynanorobots ( talk) 05:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
WP in these islands articles is presenting Arran and other islands south of Kintyre as NOT being the Inner Hebrides. The editors are taking that concept so much for granted that they don't even give references for it. I suppose they think it is common knowledge, or something like that. Not by a long shot. I can find just as many references to Arran as a Hebridean island as I can find references that aren't sure or speak of it as different.
I got no doubt that somewhere someone credible thinks it is not. How about telling us where? Furthermore, even if there is a government standard swearing the Hebrides do not include Arran, what difference does that make? There is no "official" standard for material such as this. I don't think anyone, even the government of Great Britain, has the power to define and measure long-standing, traditional concepts. They would be a little late for that. They need to do it in the Middle Ages. I further propose it is not WP's mission to offer the world geographic standards that now must be used in place of tradition. What do you think we are, anyway? It is our mission to present balanced credible views by credible authors. We need here and in other articles both points of view with sample references. I'm not going further with this right now because when I work on an article I like to work on everything in it. This is a major thing wrong with it, however, so when I do work on it, armed with references, I will be overthrowing the idea that there is an "official" view good for all men at all times, like the golden rule. WP favors balance. And, I would like to know where you get your ideas. Botteville ( talk) 01:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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@ Ben MacDui: shouldn't it say "Isle of Arran" or "Arran" similar to Isle of Skye and Isle of Mull? Unlike North Rona and South Rona "Isle of Arran" is used by the OS so its not "Isle of" for disambiguation purposes. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 17:48, 27 October 2019 (UTC)