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A simpler translation of Haq حق is "truth", so I'm fairly sure that
Swords of Truth is just the translation of the group above. Unless you have a reason to think they are separate?
I would call them "Swords of Truth" and give the other name as a translation in the first sentence, because most group names get translated, e.g. we say
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and not "Kataeb Shuhada Al-Aqsa".
It may have been my mistake. I do not know Arabic, so I saw the words "righteousness" and "truth" and assumed there were two groups just with similar names. Given what you now say and what Wiktionary says ("to be true, to be confirmed to be right, to be correct, to be necessary, to be obligatory, to be imperative, to be adequate, to be suitable, to be appropriate...") it does seem like it is one not two groups.
Evaporation123 (
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18:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Evaporation123 thank you, I'll combine those two sections. Did you notice which name seems to be more common? I think I've seen "Swords of Truth" in a few places. They are a bit hard to Google because they seem to be named after a story in the Quran that is mentioned far more often than they are.
MWQs (
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02:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Most of the sources cited for that section use the "swords of righteousness" or some sort of variation on that. Again, it's an Arabic translation and in this particular case the translated meaning is quite flexible, it can either be "righteousness" or "truth". So maybe we can use Swords of Righteousness just because that translation is more common. It barely matters though.
Evaporation123 (
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06:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It can matter of the search results for different translations tell vastly different stories? But as long as we mention the other one the heading doesn't matter. They were referred to on at least one other page as
Swords of Truth.
MWQs (
talk)
07:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I just changed it to:
Suyuf al-Haq (
Arabic: سيوف الحق,
romanized: Suyūf al-Ħaq,
lit. 'The Swords of Truth' or 'The Swords of Righteousness') is or was a "veteran" group...
It seems you combined them already. I hope it is OK that I have been working on this draft, I'm not sure what the etiquette is on that?
MWQs (
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07:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, I would have asked first if it was in user space, but drafts seemed communal. It seems I guessed right.
MWQs (
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06:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Evaporation123, if you are an extended confirmed user now you can probably move this to main space yourself rather than keep waiting for the review? But maybe comment-out the "Ideological points of unity" section before you do, because most points are currently unsourced.
MWQs (
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22:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It's not a general modern culture thing, it's specifically music. A lot of Islamic fundamentalism interprets a couple of hadith to mean most music is not allowed. But Hamas fairly obviously don't share this view.
MWQs (
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21:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Evaporation123, for
#Ideological points of unity, I wasn't intending it as a list of things they all agree on, it was more a list of various things that many fundamentalist or radical groups disagree with Hamas about. I think a few are nationalist and a few think music is fine, etc.?
MWQs (
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22:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply