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There is evidence that Muslims face certain problems, like unemployment, to a greater extent than other faith groups but this in itself does not prove that discrimination is the cause - we need a reference that says it is down to discrimination for us to be able to say so. Cheers Fishiehelper2 ( talk) 21:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Every immigrants will feel they are discriminated because of the new environment, you can't expect the whole country and society to change to meet your specific demands. you can only change yourself to fit in your new home or you will be isolated as expected. I for one don't see harder discrimination to moslim than other immigration groups, but the moslems are just doing worse both in school and work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by River Cod ( talk • contribs) 09:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
This article is based, originally almost or actually verbatim, on a lecture by Amir Tareq Ali given in 2008 at Cape Town, South Africa, as part of the 11th International Fiqh Conference.
See : http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/articles/Conf_005_19102008.html
While it is an interesting speech, and a convenient basis for an article, it is the view of one individual, who is an international Islamicist. Subsequent additions and ammendments, with references, bring the article to a more encyclopadic standard.
IAC-62 ( talk) 10:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I have re-added the below paragraph because it is an important BAFTA winning series and the paragraph is WP:Verifiable with a good source. There is no valid reason why it should be removed:
'There is a growing inequality in Muslim groups living in major cities such as London, this was exemplified by the BBC documentary The Tower. Part of the series focused on a Muslim family, led by unemployed parents, and contrasted the lifestyle with a Yuppie Muslim couple, who held highly paid jobs in Canary Wharf, as they lived adjacent to one another in East London. [1] The documentary showed the couple, employed as a Dentist and Investment Banker respectively, basking in their luxury apartment as the family father, Shakor a former drug dealer, [2] wiped condensation from his window (in gaze of the Yuppie couples riverside apartment) and shrieked his old way of life. [3] The series showed a contrast in education, income and living standards between an experienced Muslim family and a comparatively newly settled Muslim family living in Britain.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.61.232 ( talk) 10:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
I disagree that EDL is misplaced. The discrimination section focuses on the muslim role in society. I also disagree EDL is small; EDL has been described as the largest UK far-right stret protest movement since the 1970s, and in others reports since the 1930s. Pass a Method talk 17:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
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Is there a good reason why there should be two articles which duplicate so much material between them? This looks to me like a classic case of redundant content forking - if so, this should probably be merged with Islam in the United Kingdom. Alfietucker ( talk) 21:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Can't find one in the article. Any ideas how many? Islam in Wales states Wales has around 40 Mosques. Reaper7 ( talk) 18:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
AHLM13 has cited Kratke's Transnationalism and Urbanism (p 145) for a claim that had been disputed before both here and on other talk pages. The same editor has recently used that citation in several articles: London, Islam in England, Islam in the United Kingdom, Religion in England, Religion in the United Kingdom and East London Mosque. The reference does not support the claim, that the East London Mosque was "the first mosque in the European Union to be permitted to broadcast the adhan" - it just briefly recounts disputes over allowing the adhan in 1986. On being reverted, the editor has re-inserted the claim, a claim which does not even appear on the mosque's comprehensive website yet seems to be being used to give the mosque (and a particular image of the mosque) priority on Wikipedia over all other UK mosques. I will remove the claim again and ask AHLM13 not to repeat it without a source which clearly and directly states it. Of course, they should also stop placing that image in the Middle Ages section of the article; it was not built in the Middle Ages and the image is clearly anachronous. NebY ( talk) 17:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
There should be some reference or links to the reasons behind allowing unprecedented mass settlement of aliens in the United Kingdom, as a background to the article. 73.15.186.131 ( talk) 07:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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A new book by Jerry Brotton, This Orient Isle: Elizabethan England and the Islamic World, might be a useful source for this article. There's a review here. Cordless Larry ( talk) 08:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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This article is about 70% disgrace, I was looking for empirical information about laws unto Islam emanating throughout the age from the crown and all I got is mostly some politically tainted document defending the presence of Islam in Britain, about as informative as an infomercial for an American profit making church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.20.167.16 ( talk) 11:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Needs deleting/correcting 92.40.212.174 ( talk) 18:03, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
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