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The airport is not listed as João Paulo II anywhere.
The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of João Paulo.
Template:Regions of Portugal: statistical (NUTS3) subregions and intercommunal entities are confused; they are not the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are not statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this box).
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I'm asking mostly out of curiousity, but why does the artcle use the version "Isabella" of the name? The Portuguese version is "Isabel" and anglicizing gives "Elizabeth" (the Portuguese news calls the current British queen "Isabel"). Has "Isabella" been commonly used in English history texts?
A Geek Tragedy18:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)reply
I think because that is the way she is often referred to in many history books. In fact, if you look around, you'll see that Isabella, rather than Elisabeth, is generally used as an 'Anglicisation', so to speak, of Isabel or Isabelle - look at
Isabella of France, or
Isabella I of Castile. I think it's just one of the many eccentricities of this remarkably inconsistent language of ours (or mine, anyway).
Michaelsanders19:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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What are you referring to with the words tabloid history, more precisely? If it is about the stories about her husband's adultary and her own reaction to it, it is relevant to her position and should stay in the article. Her personality, the stories which were known in her time and affected attitudes toward her, and her relation to her consort, are relevant. It should not be regarded simply as fairy tales and gossip. Such things are indeed history as well. It becomes somewhat arrogant if we disregard things that are not to our taste as history. Of course, by all means edit, but if you remove such things relevant, you will be reverted.--
Aciram (
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12:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)reply
I have a good biography about her and will source what's currently in the article. If the biography supports the bits that were deleted, they can be re-added and cited.
Victoria (
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13:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)reply
That's great, Victoria. I don't think the information is the problem; I think it's the way it's presented, i.e. the writing style. It is certainly not encyclopedic, and resembles an
historical romance novel. For example, saying that her husband's mistresses "would periodically present him with illegitimate children, of whom he had a great deal", makes it sound as if those children were puppies he received as gifts.
Surtsicna (
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13:17, 16 June 2013 (UTC)reply
It's easily fixed. He did have a lot of bastards & I have good sources. I had noticed how poorly this was written and ironically it's been on my list of articles to clean up. I have bought the book so that's a start. Will take a bit of time.
Victoria (
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13:29, 16 June 2013 (UTC)reply
As it happens, not easily fixed: I've worked through the first section but finding quite a lot of
WP:Close paraphrasing verging on copyvio, so it won't be a matter of simply plugging in sources. It requires a sentence by sentence rewrite and more heavy lifting than a single biography, so will take a bit of time. I've removed the tags for now, because adding refs to potential copyvio isn't what we want.
Victoria (
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00:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)reply