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Is there a WikiMediaRadio project?
There should be more detail about the Microsoft and Real Audio formats since many sites still opt for those closed formats.
I came to this page to find out the difference between the two, but it is not made clear at all. The stated "It is not synonymous with podcasting which involves downloading and therefore copyright issues." makes no sense to me at all because obviously both (any) internet services require downloading. Wikipedia's definition: "to download is to receive data from a remote system, such as a webserver, FTP server, or other similar systems". I think the intro should be clarified. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.106.218.106 ( talk) 00:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
Of course giving all the computing cycles and storage and memory management available on todays cheap hardware there is no need for a master clock, or is there?
Unfortunately, Joe SixPack is not a serial entrepreneur with zillions of dollars in the bank, so he worries about the cost of the toys he buys at Walmart.
Sorry guys, it seems infinite buffers go out of the window, so let's think about asynchronous sample rate conversion.
Anyway, if you talk about streaming think about time stamps, and if this is to difficult think about download and storage capacity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belvdme ( talk • contribs) 21:01, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
I think that it would be incorrect now to differentiate between podcasts and internet radio in this way. A podcast can be streamed now just as an internet radio stream is (ie playing while it downloads in real time, and only temporarily saving to a memory cache). The biggest difference between internet radio and podcasting is that internet radio is a continuous stream, whereas, podcasts are audio files that are usually "episodes" and can be either downloaded or streamed in real time. The consumption patterns of both medium are the main difference, as a podcast is intended to be consumed on a per/episode basis and internet radio, like traditional radio, is just an ongoing broadcast that can be tapped into by listeners at any point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.211.39 ( talk) 09:40, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
some information about the copyright situation would do the article good.
I didn't found the origin of that, and i do not know if the quote is a verbatim copy, but it is inaccurate!
Dang Thi Thu Huong, writing a PhD on internet radio at Bournemouth University, UK, argues that internet radio is a particular form of media in itself, and cannot simply be the rebroadcast of on-air radio programmes via the Internet. She suggests this definition: "Web radio is a hybrid of radio and the Internet, featuring professional output including live radio programmes online and/or archived radio programmes online, accompanied and supported by some text and/or images, and interactive communication via the World Wide Web."
Is there a problem with some of the exteranl links? Mikereichold 02:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
If it was clearer how Mercora IMRadio contributed to Internet radio as whole, then it wouldn't sound like spam.
Was this the first use of Ogg Vorbis, a transportable satellite internet broadcast system, and open source software over the internet?
Was Mercora IMRadio the first one to pay out royalties to copyright collectives for use over the internet?
These would be highly significant and need citations to be verifiable. Larryk12308 19:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)LarryK12308
I'm currently working on a proposal for an Internet Radio Project to help try and organize some of this stuff. Feel free to stop by and give some input. Randomgenius 04:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
"The virtual tuner service that has established itself as a market leader with the most reliable set of links to the broadcast urls and that has created the largest aggregation of broadcasts with over 7,800 worldwide is Vtuner." ... sounded like an ad to me and made me tune out
I am wondering whether there exist any Windows-compatible media players that allow a keyword search and playing of audio streams, other than the Windows Media Player. I do not mean the players limited to a specific format or a specific group of stations, but rather players capable of finding and playing any radio station on the internet. Unfortunately, reading the article did not help me find an answer to this question. The article mentions technologies that can do certain things, but does not specify the software or its capability. It seems that this article can help a programmer more than it would a PC user,
Alex
I advise doing something about the paragraph devoted to virtual tuners. Not only does it come across like ad copy for the VTUNER product, but no specific mention is made of these other "virtual tuners" that exist in the marketplace.
I did a Google search for "virtual tuner" and have been unsuccessful finding any references for this term. I think this article needs to remain objective and should not be inventing terminology that is not widely accepted in the online community.
-- SWCastNetwork 02:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Internet and Web are both proper nouns when refering to the global networks known as the Internet and the World Wide Web. Please capitalize these terms appropriately when discussing Internet radio (or Net radio) and Web radio.
-- SWCastNetwork 18:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I re-arranged the external links on the Internet radio article. One section, I made, "Some sample internet radio stations". It seems to be an advert area for odd-bit stations ? I am not sure it should be there at all. Should it be deleted ? Thoughts ? Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 14:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC) ( User talk:Wikiklrsc)
You people think too much. Westmar . 06:10, 17 September 2006
I wasn't promoting anything. I was the eighteenth person to provide content under a section titled "EXTERNAL LINKS". Westmar . 11:04, 17 September 2006
Why was the information i added about the Godfathers of Sports Talk website and radio show deleted? I wasn't promoting anything. It's a link to a site that has a weekly sports radio show. Have you even seen the website or listened to the show? Its a website/podcast, so it has plenty to do with the topic.
I added a couple words to the first paragraph to help clarify a few of the technical terms that were being used a little loosely.
Broadcast refers specifically to wireless transmission since that delivery method eminates broadly without discrimination.
Netcasting is the term used to indicate delivery through the Internet.
It is worth distinguishing since netcasts require a series of technologies (computer, monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, modem, cables, appropriate software, exact URL) and for-pay services (browser software, player software, internet access), BUT broadcast media require only one device and no fees
Think of it as the difference between cable and the "Networks."
Also, I added the term e-Radio as a synonym since it's used by over 2 million websites to identify their internet radio services.
JussD
20:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
You keep editing the internet radio history and leaving out substantial facts and including minor occurances as major events. You obviously were not around or paying attention when internet radio was first getting started. Feel free to contact me at test7301@verizon.net so that you can learn the facts in order to present a truthful and useful wiki on the subject.
Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.104.30.10 ( talk) 05:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
First hand experience is the citation.
Here's the best part of the Wikipedia:Attribution: "whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." No wonder there's so much controversy over Wikipedia in learned and professional circles...nothing has to be true.
And, an attribution for you from Yahoo News:
Wikipedia Founder Discourages Academic Use of His Creation
Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia compiled by a distributed network of volunteers, has often come under attack by academics as being shoddy and full of inaccuracies. Even Wikipedia’s founder, Jimmy Wales, says he wants to get the message out to college students that they shouldn’t use it for class projects or serious research.
Speaking at a conference at the University of Pennsylvania on Friday called “The Hyperlinked Society,” Mr. Wales said that he gets about 10 e-mail messages a week from students who complain that Wikipedia has gotten them into academic hot water. “They say, ‘Please help me. I got an F on my paper because I cited Wikipedia’” and the information turned out to be wrong, he says. But he said he has no sympathy for their plight, noting that he thinks to himself: “For God sake, you’re in college; don’t cite the encyclopedia.”
Oops, another attribution from Fox News:
NEW YORK — Wikipedia, the controversial online encyclopedia, is planning to ask its army of faceless Internet editors — known as Wikipedians — to verify their credentials after one of the most prolific of their number was exposed as a fraud.
The online reference work was dealt a serious blow last week as it emerged that EssJay, a Wikipedia editor understood by the site and its users to be a tenured professor of religion at a private university with expertise in canon law, was in fact a 24-year-old from Kentucky called Ryan Jordan with no higher educational qualifications to speak of.
What is more, Mr. Jordan's expertise and dedication to the site seemed so great that he was given a full-time job at another company run by Jimmy Wales, the Wikipedia founder.
It's AP, now carried at CNN.com: http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/03/08/wikipedia.credentials.ap/index.html
I've deleted the same link to radio (Radioguide.fm) twice in one morning. User goes by name of Economyms but account seems to have been deleted; this morning s/he used ip address 86.92.243.214 to make the changes. Can an admin handle this, plz? Jfarber 12:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
-- PhantomS 09:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Without deleting any unique content, I've done some copyediting for encyclopedic tone and readability.
It would be great to work on standardizing all the citations with <ref></ref>, so that they are all automatically listed in {{references}} In this way, an article which is printed out will still contain all citations, nicely numbered and linked. -- Lexein 16:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
This addition appeared here : "More recently, in 2006, a company called IP Radio, Inc. was formed by entrepreneurs Stephen Padron, Ray Lytle, and Clyde Passman. The trio recognized the enormous potential of Internet Radio and the trend towards increasing advertising dollars being earmarked for the internet. Their offerings are a combination of music and entertainment in the genres of classic rock ( http://www.Throwbackrock.com), alternative rock ( http://www.Disasterradio.net), and country ( http://www.Hotnewcountry.com), and have quickly became the most popular streams on the Internet."
-- Lexein 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article tagged with the current event message? I think it should be removed. Unless I'm missing something... Hey martin 15:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
The bill to increase the royalty rates on Internet Radio Broadcast is going into effect on the 15th of July. As it is retroactive to January 1, 2006, many broadcasters may go off the air due to the massive amounts of royalties the will suddenly owe. Sherpajohn 12:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a big hunk of history missing. For example, around 2000, the US radio actors union claimed that any radio ads streamed over the Internet would have to pay the radio actors a "national" fee rather than a "local" fee, and since that royalty was substantially higher, a lot of stations dropped their Internet streams for several years until software was developed to block the local ads. The stations came back in dribs and drabs, but it was a pretty bleak period for Internet radio from 2000=2003. None of this is mentioned here.
Even now, the software the stations use aren't perfect. I quite often hear the start of ads before the software kicks in and plays Muzak. Sometimes the software doesn't switch off and the actual program gets stepped on. I guess the union doesn't mind as long as stations are making an effort to block the ads.
The important thing to note here is that even though stations continued to stream while there was ongoing arguements about copyright royalty payments, the radio actors union kicked off probably a thousand Internet stations for a while and did more damage than the various copyright committees did.
70.22.211.209 ( talk) 17:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
What to do about the HardRadio stuff in the History section of this article? I don't feel like having an edit war, but as soon as I removed it, it was put back in. The only reference/citation given is a press release republished by allbusiness.com. That citation cannot be considered authoritative nor reliable. Perhaps HardRadio is significant in the history of Internet radio, but if so, you'd think there'd be more authoritative and reliable information about its historic role than a press release. SlubGlub ( talk) 16:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I would add that these two that blazed the whole trail deserve much more than a "footnote". These were the pioneers that took the arrows in the back and revolutionized two industries, the radio broadcasting industry, and the recording industry.In particular with HardRadio, who is sole survivor of the very first internet-only pioneers. In addition, you should probably also include audionet (later broadcast.com) and KPIG as early terrestrial based streaming pioneers. Of course you know Mark Cuban sold broadcast.com for billions. It may be a plus for you to contact someone like Cuban or Kurt Hanson with the Radio and Internet Newsletter ( http://www.kurthanson.com/) or Peggy Miles with the webcaster mailing list and author of a 1998 book on webcasting, Jim Atkinson at 3wk who began webcasting in 1997, Tracy Barnes at HardRadio.com, Rob Glaser at Real, Howard Gordon past ceo of Xing, or the editors and publishers of the past Streaming Magazine so you can produce a correct and factual historical rendering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.84.138 ( talk) 18:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1999/04/19286 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.84.138 ( talk) 19:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment, and I suppose you aren't a broadcaster. You should know that R&R is where most in the industry got their information in the day, sort of like the bible of broadcasting. When something like a totally foreign form of broadcasting gets a two page interview spread at the beginning of internet radio, this is what brought the attention of both industries to internet radio. It's similar to getting published in an American Medical journal when a scientist discovers something new or revolutionary. That article on this new "internet radio" got a lot of attention, from many other published periodicals and newspapers, even up to the CEO and publisher of the R&R trade journal. Of course the "internet radio" had plenty of naysayers and was scorned and ridiculed for a while, but everyone quickly saw the radio and records industries start to get in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.84.138 ( talk) 23:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
You can contact me at test7301@verizon.net if you would like to discuss. Also, yes you should cover Spinner.com, as well as Imagine Radio that is referenced in an article link posted above.
I reiterate that you should contact the persons above to get a true read on the early history of internet radio. A sketchy and/or incomplete wiki entry would not benefit wikipedia and it's reputation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.84.138 ( talk) 23:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
No, I'm suggesting talking to these individuals that were there and actively participating, not what may be a somewhat cloudy observation on the historical events from 13 years after the facts. These *are* the people who "wrote the books and articles" as you say. If you would like to research terrestrial broadcasting's early days, you will discover a long standing confusion as to who did what, and when, wether it's in the realm of the broadcast technology itself or something like the first commercial broadcast using the radio wave technology. I and many others don't want to see the contributions and accomplishments of the pioneers of internet radio be obscured, especially in a purported "factual" encyclopedia. It may be an advantage for any article moderator in the wikipedia to have a grasp and knowledge and hopefully some level of expertise of at least the majority of the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.84.138 ( talk) 01:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
The paragraph right now is about as large as the HardRadio article itself and is a catalog of "first this, first that". When you're the first station around, you'll naturally be the first to do a lot of particuliar specific things (that's a bit like saying Neil Armstrong was the first man to step on the moon, the first man to walk on the moon, to talk on the moon, to put his footprint on the moon, to skip on the moon, to walk on the moon and return to Earth, etc). This kind of information/detail in the Internet Radio history section is not useful, somewhat redundant and unnecessary. It should be left to the HardRadio article at most. Keep it short.-- Boffob ( talk) 22:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
A June 1995 LA Times article cites Radio HK as a source that "'broadcasts' exclusively via the Internet." The URL given is http://www.hkweb.com/radio/. This would predate HardRadio's debut date of December 31, 1995. A September 1995 LA Times article mentions that Radio HK was nominated for a Webby award that year and describes Radio HK as "the first full-time Internet radio staion." I intend to put this information in the history section. I may then also remove or scale back the information on HardRadio, depending on what seems appropriate. However, in the interest of avoiding an edit war, I'm writing this here first for feedback and will wait a day or four before doing anything. SlubGlub ( talk) 23:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm guessing that the people working on radio articles - particularly this one - might have some insight to add to this discussion over on Wikinews.
The idea of a Wikinews Radio station was proposed, something that simply wouldn't work due to lack of content. But Wikimedia Radio, drawing on audio from all projects, seems achievable. Commons has free music, Wikipedia has spoken articles and a few podcasts, Wikinews can do news summaries for regular playing, Wikiversity has a similar idea - Wiki Campus Radio - and wants to do educational material, Wikisource has audio books, and Wikiquote generally has a recording of the quote of the day. With enough cross-project collaboration it starts to look like we could run our own Wikimedia Radio service.
What I don't know, and strongly suspect those editing this article will, is what are the technical considerations to take into account? Is there a "runs-out-the-box" FLOSS streaming solution we could use? Please feel free to hop over to Wikinews and give input on these items and any other ideas you might have for content. -- Brian McNeil / talk 07:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
It might be appropriate to add an internal link to Musicovery, an orphaned article. -- Wavelength ( talk) 05:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The article becomes a bit of a WP:COATRACK at the end with all the SoundExchange and Day Of Silence stuff. While that deserves mention, the article is about Internet radio, not about a distinctly American dispute between webcasters and SoundExchange.
The dispute is controversial and very important, and like I said, it deserves mention. But it is way outsized. It probably deserves its own article. Meanwhile, there are important historical entities like Spinner.Com that aren't even *mentioned* in this article.
I've tried to be fairly aggressive about keeping the SoundExchange stuff brief, but I think it needs significant editing at this point, and so I thought I'd get the consensus on this issue before forging ahead with only my own personal opinion. (Or maybe someone else wants to take a whack at it.)
At the very least, the heading "Recent SoundExchange Developments" needs to be removed or changed. Those developments won't be "Recent" forever. I propose removing it and perhaps consolidating the information in that section to a single paragraph (or, at most, two paragraphs).
SlubGlub ( talk) 05:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Your internet radio history continues to be flawed. Carl Malamud had in no way pioneered an internet radio station. See the following at http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/publib/1994-June/065717.html:
PUBLIB Interview: Carl Malamud
PUBLIB: What is Internet Talk Radio?
Carl:
We're a "radio station" on the Internet. Words like "radio" and "station" are just convenient metaphors, but at first glance what we're doing is sending audio programs to people who listen to the programs on their personal computers.
Internet Talk Radio is our scientific and technical channel and we also have the Internet Town Hall that concentrates on public affairs.
In either case, we take audio and package it as a file.
The files make their way around the world and are played using any standard sound tools. We make a point of *not* providing software ... by providing only data we allow the user to decide how to fit this information with their personal computing environment.
Currently, we put out approximately 3 hours per day of programming. This ranges from National Press Club Luncheons to congressional hearings to programs such as SoundPrint and our own Geek of the Week interviews. <end>
That is nothing more than file distribution via download similar to a podcast. Microsoft distributes updates and security fixes via download, under your history you should probably include them as an internet radio station. Audio discussion files were available back in 1990 or so on the old mac-centric AOL, btw.
Under your own podcasting section on this page: distinction between internet radio and podcast? It is possible that the definition of Downloading needs to be revisited, though I think "recieve" hints at the fundamental difference. However, I do NOT think this is a problem with this article, because I think most computer users make a clear distinction between downloading and streaming. Podcasting involves downloading, meaning the entire file must be recieved, stored, and opened in order to play it. radio is, on the other hand, a form of Streaming media, which, according to our entry, is defined as "multimedia that is continuously received by, and normally displayed to, the end-user whilst it is being delivered by the provider." Certainly different, certainly NOT the same as podcasting/downloading, and hopefully the answer to your question. Jfarber 01:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Please get someone to oversee the internet radio article that has some sort of clue. Thank you. Radioist ( talk) 19:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
As well, you have left out and disregarded the true pioneers of the medium, KPIG in terrestrial streaming, and internet-only Netradio.net (the first internet-only radio station-November 1995), HardRadio.com (the first .com internet-only radio station-December 1995), iRock, Imagine Radio, Spinner, 3wk, and several others who were there in the beginning. Radioist ( talk) 20:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Is the infobox for Media Players really appropriate on this article? If so, is there a way to make it more compact? It seems to take up a lot of real estate for a topic that is related but not essential. SlubGlub ( talk) 18:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
This sentence from the "controversy" is very misleading if not factually incorrect, contributing to much misunderstanding of this topic:
One result of the DMCA is that performance royalties are to be paid for satellite radio and Internet radio broadcasts. In contrast, traditional radio broadcasters pay no performance royalties.
Actually, tradition radio broadcast is one of the primary "performances" for which ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC, the traditional performance rights organizations, collect for. The confusion arises because these organizations collect for the publisher, the holder of the "song copyright"- in other words, the composer- while the controversy here concerning SoundExchange is that they are demanding royalties be paid to the sound copyright holder, in other words, the record company, which does not receive royalties when their recording is played on traditional radio. It's the difference between the "C" and the "P" with the circle on it on the back of CDs, if anyone still has those. Just seems like this should be clarified, but would require a little more explanation of copyright law. Harveytuttle ( talk) 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
The section on the US royalty controversy takes up almost half the article. It takes over the article, as if Internet radio has already fallen apart due to this controversy. The section goes into too much detail about the temporary situations on May 1, 2007 and August 16, 2008, rather than taking a long-term view that shows how these events fit into the whole history. I assume that people have just been adding to the section like a diary, without looking at the big picture or the entire article. The section mentions Live365, Pandora, and Last.fm, but a previous section should explain what these and other notable stations are, and how they grew. Filling in more of the history and current status of Internet radio, and its use outside the US, would balance the article and keep the US royalty section from being so overwhelming. I would write it myself but I don't have enough expertise. Sluggoster ( talk) 06:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to switch the name order in the citations to last, first. This makes citing different pages of a resource easier - <ref>Dude, p. 43.</ref>. Asking here per WP:CITEHOW. Discuss? -- Lexein ( talk) 17:57, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Are there any programs like SAM Broadcaster? Someone tell me why there is no Wiki article that lists and describes:
Internet radio broadcasting applications.
Thanks. Because I want to know. - Curious Wiki-er. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.68.162.10 ( talk) 10:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
wwww.radionomy.com is similar to SAM Broadcaster and allows for users to create online radio stations from scratch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nvwww ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
The first Internet radio broadcast was by Carl Malamud. An IP removed this information back in 2010 without any explanation of why they made the edit, even though the information was referenced. In addition, Severe Tire Damage has the honors of doing the first-ever Internet concert (as backed up by two references) Samboy ( talk) 02:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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