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add a reference to wikipedia as a great example of ebegging — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.171.88.163 ( talk) 18:00, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, Wikipedia is not a place for critical reviews of products, sites or phenomena. The article reads like an essay (an original research) and cites no references. -- Perfecto 00:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Begging for gold goes on in and EQ2 and begging for lindens happens in second life, which have a real world value. Usually the amounts begged are not enough to make it profitable to exchange the money for real world money tho, so hte begging is for in game use. Does anyone now a decent referance about online game begging?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.125.13 ( talk) 21:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Banner-begging, like we have seen on wikipedia lately needs to be mentioned in this article. Adding a paragraph on this does not constitute vandalism.
If you feel otherwise, then please lets discuss it here, don't just revert the changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.49.211.134 ( talk) 13:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Look at the top of the screen to see what I mean.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.4.180.105 ( talk) 17:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The #5 site on the internet is banner begging. Why does your bot call it vandalism and trolling when I add it to the site? Hello?? 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Asking for money is the definition of begging... How can you be a wikipedia editor for the English site if you don't understand English? 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
"Save Karyn Avirginsplea.com One red paperclip The Million Dollar Homepage"
those are more relevant than WIKIPEDIA, the #5 site on the internet? You guys already deleted the entries on banner begging.
Why are you ashamed of the fact that wikipedia is engaged in internet begging? If you're so ashamed of it, why are you doing it?
To refute your points before, I can choose to not look at the black people in Harlem asking for money and blast music in my headphones, but it doesn't change the fact they are asking me for money. 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:24, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
It is a more relevant link than the ones currently listed. That is how it improves the article. 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, you absolutely should. In fact, it should have an entire section for other forms of internet begging for open source and community projects. I will volunteer to write it. You won't delete it, right? It will list wikipedia prominently. Get some others to agree to its relevance and I will do it. 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
If I may join in I would argue that the other sides listed as "See Also" are all sites that are primarily money-raising sites whereas wikipedia is not. This is why I do not see it as appropriate in this particular list. HistoryStudent113 ( talk) 08:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I dunno, for some time now, 100% of wikipedia pages have a huge banner on top begging for donations (unless you choose to opt out of such banners apparently). I'd wager to say that wikipedia, in its current state, has 100% of its pages designated for banner begging and 100% of its pages designated for user-editable encyclopedia content, making it as much of a begging site as any of those. 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Not only has wikipedia been overthetop obnoxiously ebegging but half the times when you click on the x to close it it sends you to the donation page instead. This is definitely ebegging. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.165.123 ( talk) 05:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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An editor has expressed interest in adding a link to the Wikipedia article to the "See Also" section of this article, as asking for money is the definition of begging. I have argued that this may constitute trolling or vandalism. > RUL3R> trolling> vandalism 08:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Adding WP to this list does not improve the article in any way, and may be an act of pure trolling. > RUL3R> trolling> vandalism 08:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
For some time now, 100% of wikipedia pages have a huge banner on top begging for donations (unless you choose to opt out of such banners apparently). I'd wager to say that wikipedia, in its current state, has 100% of its pages designated for banner begging, making it as much of a begging site as any of the listed links. 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Also, this whole donation business could be solved with advertising on less than 1% of wikipedia's pages (chosen randomly). Asking for money is supplicating. 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
100% of wikipedia's pages are begging for money. It is at least as much a begging site as it is an encyclopedia at this point. 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Sure, it fails NPOV. So to maintain integrity, you made a conscious decision to turn wikipedia into a banner-begging site which falls under the category of internet begging, thus making it relevant for the page. Thank you for making my argument for me. :D 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 08:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The commonly-held definition is that begging is asking for money in a supplicating manner. This is not the case with WP. While WP does have banners requesting donations it is not primarily a fund-raising site, as the others sites listed are. HistoryStudent113 ( talk) 08:44, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
If there are reliable sources that refer to wikipedia as an "internet begging" site then I see no reason for it not to be included. If there are no such sources then it shouldn't be included - fair enough? TheGoodLocust ( talk) 21:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Advertising has been proposed before. It was denied because advertising, by definition, fails WP:NPOV. See Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals#Advertising. > RUL3R> trolling> vandalism 08:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Furthermore, what WP is doing is not advertising. It is not attempting to get you to pay for a product or service or to patronize a particular establishment. I maintain the proper term for what the WP banners are is "fundraising" HistoryStudent113 ( talk) 08:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
"Please read: A personal appeal from Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales
"Thank you for using Wikipedia. You're part of this story: please make a donation today. Jimmy Wales""
^ reads like begging to me. "please read". "please make a donation". 74.101.199.15 ( talk) 09:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like politeness to me HistoryStudent113 ( talk) 09:03, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The pro and cons arguments rely on subtle differences in the definition of "begging". Unfortunately, I don't think that the definition in the different dictionnaries out there are precise enough (or even agree) to conclude. Arguing this is or this is not begging seems to be more about opinions and perceptions, i.e. subjective. The article may present a paragraph saying something like "Some people (you) may think Wikipedia should be considered as an "internet begging" site, as a banner asking for money is visible on 100% off the pages. However, Wikipedia founders think that this is not begging but fundraising, for a service that is already offered. Moreover, users will benefit from donations (add-free service), and the purpose of the site Wikipedia is not to collect money."
I think this is better than just ignoring it in the article, since probably 80% of the people who get there just want to see what does wikipedia say about the (maybe apparent) irony of this page. A rather funny picture (the screenshot of the article with the banner "I couldn't ignore that banner at the top of the site anymore... I use Wikipedia far too often to ignore the need!") has been made, I don't know how popular it is. And yes, that's how i went there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.220.154.194 ( talk) 01:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I propose to close this RfC as there is a clear consensus against adding Wikipedia to the list of links. > RUL3R> trolling> vandalism 19:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Most cyberbegging sites are basically filled with liars and scammers. Many people intentionally use key words (autistic child, dead child, gravestone - all very effective) they know people will feel bad challenging even if they are obviously fake. And when one person is successful obtaining money using a sob story copycats flood the site using the similar stories. Could there be a section for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.178.75.42 ( talk) 01:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an internet begging site. One of the mods should add it in immediately. Jimbo would approve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.188.6.25 ( talk) 11:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
WP is totally "internet begging" and the obvious pro-WP bias and tap-dance expressed above is humorous. 108.17.72.3 ( talk) 16:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
...that "A personal appeal" redirects here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.193.230.30 ( talk) 13:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
By the latest edit, "A cause website is a term for a cyber-begging site that presents a personal appeal for funds or help" [1]. I feel as if right now, Wikipedia's current banner ad above each page counts as a "cause website". Perhaps it could be listed as such? The phrase "a personal appeal" is right there in the advertisement. Kaen604 ( talk) 01:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
A picture is worth a thousand words. Take a look:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46/begging.jpg/
Does this settle the issue of whether Wikipedia is internet begging site or not? Why are you admins and Wikipedia editors so ashamed of the truth? Doesn't improve the article? Who said so? You don't decide things like that on your own. You want people to donate you money but you are so arrogant to not let them even discuss about what should go into a Wikipedia article? — Preceding
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Why? because they do beg every year and don't say "ITS OPTIONAL YOU CAN HIDE TEH BANNERZ" it's optional with all the other internet begging, and "Please read" that sounds a lot like begging, so i will add Wikipedia, not Jimmy Wales, but i WILL add wikipedia to related pages, and you have no reason to delete it, there's no reason for you to silence the truth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadow Siren ( talk • contribs) 15:20, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I suppose it is Internet begging, but I'd rather have them beg than load the site up with ads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.136.136.4 ( talk) 15:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
As would I, but that doesn't change the basic fact it is Internet Begging. Why is Wikipedia so afraid of being an honest encyclopedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.16.110 ( talk) 17:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Because they would need to verify all their sources with some sort of print media, hire actual writing staff from a pool of experts, have some kind of self-policing that would prevent just such PR revisions from happening, and a plethora of other things. Wikipedia has been, still is, and will always be a joke. As for the "Hide the banner" approach. I have done so, but it keeps reappearing almost every day. This means that WikiMedia is indeed begging, even by their own definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.48.64 ( talk) 13:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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Please add Wikipedia to See Also list, please. 177.2.79.43 ( talk) 13:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
The top of the page is begging. citation provided by wikipedia.org — Preceding
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Citation, the top of this very window. Wikipedia is engaging in internet begging at this very moment.
Gentlemen,
I would like to suggest that a new addition be added to the Internet begging web page section 2, with the heading "Respected scientific Websites infiltrated"
The text to be as follows.
Professional beggars are now infiltrating respected scientific Websites in their quest to get people to send them money. Some BOINC projects have suffered from this, e.g. Seti@home. People put begging links in their signatures and profess in posts to be in financial trouble. Well meaning people asre encouraged to help them out and get fleeced in the process. Prevention is a robust moderation regime.
Sir Goodenough ( talk) 07:49, 31 December 2018 (UTC) Sir Goodenough
Currently, the last section of this article mentions two video game streamers, with real names and all. Neither of them has an article on Wikipedia, so are they really "notable"? There's no citations either. It makes some wild claims, and honestly sounds like...Libel? Trolling? Not neutral, in any case.
But I don't know anything about these two persons or Wikipedia editing standards. Maybe someone who knows about these things should take a look? Auaurorau ( talk) 09:36, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
I am the one who added that section. It is true that they are both the target of trolling, but they DO e-beg and many other people can attest to that. And no, they aren't super famous or anything, but they are known amongst the gaming community for being toxic, treating their fans poorly, and well, of course, begging.
WingsOfRedemotion did actually scam his fans out of at least 20 thousand dollars after promising to get weight loss surgery, and I will admit that I did lie and say that he didn't get it, which is wrong because he DID get the surgery but failed to stick to a diet and it ended up being a complete failure [1]. Some people also speculate that he asked for more money than he really needed to get the surgery, and used the leftovers to buy himself a car. Is this a proven fact? No, but I think allegations are worth talking about.
As for DarkSydePhil, well I could go on for days about what he has been involved in [2], but I think I have said enough. With that being said I understand that these guys probably aren't all that important. WikiSurfer2005 ( talk) 17:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)