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Any news on these two organisations? Bardhylius ( talk) 23:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Serbia has also recalled its ambassadors from Germany and Austria. -- 91.55.122.123 ( talk) 23:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that the reference pointing to recognition of Kosovo by Senegal is not correct. However I am not able to find any other. Could someone try to find reliable information on the subject. BloodIce ( talk) 00:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
here's a new source... see the last paragraph on Oman Tribune —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.134.156.78 ( talk) 09:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I would not say Ukraine won't recognize Kosovo just yet. It is the job of Ukraine's Foreign Ministry to come up with a position on this issue. The source that is provided in the article refers to the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Committee for Foreign Affairs, which is not the same thing as a foreign ministry. I would not speculate just yet. -- 207.177.241.28 ( talk) 02:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
You are Right, but everyone else seems to think otherwise, even without proof of denying to recognize Kosovo. We should use official government sources of the Foreign Affairs Minister:. Please look at the official statement of the Foreign Affairs Minister at www.mfa.gov.ua/mfa/en/publication/content/16732.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
According to the German Cabinet, Germany approved recognition of Kosovo and the article says: The German Cabinet has today approved official recognition of the Republic of Kosovo and the establishment of diplomatic relations with the new state.
This is as of Yesterday 20.02.2008.
The Official link is at: www.bundesregierung.de/nn_6538/Content/EN/Pressemitteilungen/BPA/2008/02/2008-02-20-anerkennung-des-kosovo__en.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 09:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is the link from the German Foreign Office. I would say it's a done deal now [1]-- Trigor ( talk) 09:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
According to an Article published in the website of Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Ukraine Plans to recognize the Independence of Kosovo. There is no article whatsoever that indicates the contrary.
The Article that is attached next to the Ukraine Flag in Countries that will not recognize Kosovo regards Brazil's declaration.
The Link to the Foreign Affairs Ministry of Ukraine regarding the statement that i just wrote is: www.mfa.gov.ua/mfa/en/publication/content/16732.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 11:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The Article that is attached next to the Ukraine Flag now is an Unofficial point of view of a RadioStation. We should try and show only official statements issued from Foreign Affairs Offices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 12:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC) I think Ukraine should be moved under the section of: States which have expressed concern over unilateral moves or expressed wish for further negotiations, or even better in Other states, including undecided or ambiguous positions —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 12:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Some of these bold text summaries of the positions in the Other states, including undecided or ambiguous positions (24) section are not very encyclopedic. Bangladesh is "Monitoring the situation in Kosovo, waiting to see what happens next.": who isn't? Plus how is that different from Greece, who "Will watch and see what happens first."? Technically, anyone that is in this section is in Canada's shoes in that they are "Not in a rush to pick sides." The bold text summaries are not helpful in actually summarizing these countries' positions, plus the fact that these countries are in the section in itself suggests that there is much nuance that cannot be captured in a few words. The bold summaries in States which have expressed concern over unilateral moves or expressed wish for further negotiations (7) appear more formal and not as bad. Kelvinc ( talk) 11:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Bosnia and Herzegovina's "not in the near future" is different from, say, the PRC's opinion which is still considering. "Not in the near future" is an outright refusal to recognize, at least in the near future, which of course is the politician's words for no. Any position can change over time, so this does not really differ from a straight no. Any comments? Herunar ( talk) 12:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC) Its a Neutral Position its not a NO and its not a straight away YES. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 14:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Denmark will recognize the Republic of Kosovo later this day by dispatching a letter from the Danish Foreign Minister to President Fatmir Sejdiu and Prime Minister Hashim Thaci. [2] [3] [4] No official press announcement has been published on the Danish Foreign Ministry's official webpage, but the three newspapers all print an identical telegram from Ritzau News Agency which again quotes the Foreign Ministry. The Foreign Affairs committee meets tomorrow, [5] which will allow the minister to make an official announcement to members of the opposition. An official press briefing will take place at 1600 CET. [6] 83.89.43.14 ( talk) 13:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
According to Foreign Affairs Ministry Denmark Recognized Republic of Kosova, the link to the F.A.M. is this: www.denmark.dk/en/servicemenu/News/InternationalNews/DenmarkRecognisesKosovo.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 14:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Is ASEAN membership really relevant to this issue so that it needs to be mentioned in the country notes? The EU and OIC have made efforts to have joint policies on this issue but ASEAN is just a regional grouping from the other side of the world. Eluchil404 ( talk) 15:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
On a related issue: the article has recently developed CIS membership indicators. How is that relevant to Kosovo? Just like ASEAN, Kosovo is highly unlikely to aspire for CIS membership, and CIS did not make a collective decision on its independence declaration. -- EJ ( talk) 12:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
The Source is not an Official State Declaration —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreenClawPrishtina ( talk • contribs) 15:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Any Comment on this one? -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 16:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think Turkey being an OIC member has any significance regarding her recognition of the independence of Kosovo. More significant facts are that Turkey is a NATO member and a contributor state to KFOR and she is also a contributing state to EULEX. Other related points of interest may be that Kosovo has a Turkish minority and that Kosovo was formerly a part of the Ottoman Empire, to which Turkey is the successor. Yucina ( talk) 15:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Could Turkey's recognition of Kosovo backfire? It seems to me that the area in Turkey where the Kurds live bears similarity to the Kosovo case. Q43 ( talk) 15:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
No, I dont think so. Kosovo had an autonomy for 50-60 years, but Serbs in 90s took it back. Kurds in Turkey never had an autonomy, there are no borders within Turkey. The separatist party only got votes from 1/3 of all Kurds living in Turkey in the last election. Also, Kurds and Turks have the same faiths which was not the case in Kosovo. There are thousands of intermerriages between Kurds and Turks. Moreover, there was big immigration wave from Kurdish areas to the west of turkey which makes a seperation of Kurdish and Turkish areas very problematic. Lastly turkish military forces are much stronger to resist such seperatist movements. However, Kurds in Northern Iraq may benefit from Kosovo in the long run.
http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2008/08-02-20.tcpr.html#01 Clearly states that the presidential spokesman for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has said that TRNC is not pursuing the process of recognition of Kosovo. The President's statement was commentary and congratulatory only and not a declaration of official recognition. TheWoody ( talk) 19:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
However, the fact that the TRNC's head of state has done so is in itself an act of recognizing the existance of a new country. The fact that Prime Minister Soyer is not at this time pursuing recognition of Pristina's GOVERNMENT does not change this. Expatkiwi ( talk) 13:47, 21 February 2008 (PST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.169.176.233 ( talk)
It is not possible to be "Awaiting the European Union's decision" (as is the status of Montenegro according to this page) as the European Union has already made its decision, i.e. "that it would 'take note' of Kosovo's move, but leaves the question of recognition to its member states." Therefore there is nothing to wait for! I think Montenegro's stance would be very interesting to know, as this is the most recently independent country before Kosovo, it borders Kosovo, has a large Serbian population and an ethnic Albanian minority and it is historically tied closely to Serbia. Surely someone has some more up-to-date info on Montenegro's stance than this. Danielfranklin78 ( talk) 19:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Good point. I'm afraid i can not find any information on Montenegro's view on Kosovo, most likely waiting for the UN's decision or it may follow other former Yugoslavian countries. Ijanderson977 ( talk) 19:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
CBC Newsworld reported just before 12:00 PM on February 21 that Venezuela's president Hugo Chavez says that Venezuela does not recognise the independence of Kosovo. I cannot find an online document to back this up at this time. 24.83.90.35 ( talk) 19:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
User JosipMac should know that Serbia is internationally recognised state, and has internationally recognised borders, which include Kosovo (Kosovo and Metohija - to be precise). People of Kosovo and Metohija do not have legal right to proclaim independence, because it is against international law. Any lawyer can confirm that and there's no question about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.175.64.242 ( talk) 13:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I concur with some of your statements. USA has shown that it uses the force instead of justice. By international law I meant the United Nations Charter and Helsinki act which guarantee souverenity and territorial integrity of every member state. I think I don't have to remind that Serbia (then Yugoslavia) is one of the UN co-founding states. Your parralels with historic events are not relevant because during the French revolution etc. there was no such organization. After WWII the protection of international law was institutionalised. People simply sat down and made laws and rules to protect stability and peace (that's one of the main UN goals, isn't it?). But obviously USA and other countries who recognised Kosovo do not respect Security Counsil and other UN institutions, as well as UN itself. What would happen if every minority in every country asked for their independence? Why do you think Spain, among others, is against self-proclaimed independence? I am not saying there weren't crimes done by Serbian army in Kosovo, I don't claim that Kosovo should be governed from Belgrade, it should in my opinion have a wide autonomy, all I'm saying is that Kosovo's self-proclaimed independence goes against all relevant international laws concerning souverenity and territorial integrity of countries, and that is a fact. Now, whether the law is enforced or not, that's another story. My regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.175.64.242 ( talk) 16:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
In the list of countries that recognise Kosovo, the notes section should also specify which nations are members of NATO, and provide the NATO flag. 24.83.90.35 ( talk) 20:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no point mentioning every organization in the world. EU and UN are the only important organizations on the issue of Independence for Kosovo. However NATO is playing a big role in Kosovo with its troops been sent to the northern boarder after Serbs destroyed two posts. I duno about NATO? Ijanderson977 ( talk) 20:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
This suggests that the United Arab Emirates will eventually recognise Kosovo, due to its relations with Albania.
http://www.parlament.al/eng/dokumenti.asp?id=1709
Ijanderson977 ( talk) 20:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
What's about Austria? http://www.kurier.at/nachrichten/132630.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.151.206.152 ( talk) 20:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this is English at all? My German is not too good. What is it saying?
This says (sais?, my English is not so well ;-) ), that Austria almost recognized, that Kosovo is independent. The Austrian President is not in Austria so far, so they cannot recognize it official. They will recognize it next week (february 25th to march 2nd). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.151.206.152 ( talk) 20:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Ijanderson977 ( talk) 20:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Good, it says that Austria will recognise Kosovo from the 25th February on the wiki page.
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20:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Poland should be moved to that 'to recognise' list, according to this site: http://www.poland.pl/news/article,Warsaw_to_recognize_Kosovar_independence,id,314508.htm 24.83.90.35 ( talk) 21:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Serbian ambassadors are recalled from all states who recognized Kosovo.
Germany & Afghanistan: http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/:Kosovo-Unabh%E4ngigkeit-Serbien-Botschafter-Deutschland/611693.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.151.206.152 ( talk) 21:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
In the reference cited [9], the Colombian Foreign Ministry DOES NOT MENTION anything about any UN Security Council decision. The article says:
There's nothing else on the Colombia's FM website [10] or the Presidency website so far. -- Julián Ortega - drop me a message 21:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Please don't manipulate the facts, about the PNV had stated support because it's a right ultracatholic party but for the independentist, like in Gara was stated that Kosovo independentism is fascist and "reaccionario" (ultra-right). So the status should be disagreement. The source is this. About catalonia you should seek information about all factions (CiU, ERC, in general "tripartito") instead saying "support". Update it please.
Can someone add the flag of GUAM to Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Moldova in the tables? Thanks.-- 24.186.170.167 ( talk) 21:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Northern Cyprus' contrary position is noted, but has anyone heard from Somaliland, Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, Transdnistra, South Ossetia, or Sealand about their stance on Kosovo's UDI? -- Expatkiwi ( talk) 13:51, 21 February 2008 (PST)
Unfortunatly the TRNC gets added repeatedly to the list of countries that supposiedly recognized Kosovo's independance. In fact it has not (yet) done so.
The only source available (for a supposed recognition is the rather spurious Tiraspol times from Transdniestr, and even that article does not state that an official letter of recogition has been sent, which is needed for the diplomatic recoigntion to take place. While Talat has voiced support for Kosovo independance, the TRNC has not officially recognized Kosovo as a country. See [11] for a translation of an Anadolu newspiece. Please do not add the TRNC without properly sourcing this with a reliable, Cypriot (north or south) reference ! For additional reasoning, also see the Talk:Foreign_relations_of_Northern_Cyprus Travelbird ( talk) 00:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Correct. TRNC has not officially recognised Kosovo. The President has welcomed Kosovo's independence, but current Turkish Cypriot Administration does not seek international recognition for North Cyprus as the current official policy is to find a comprehensive solution for the Cyprus problem, i.e. unification of the island. I, myself, am a Turkish Cypriot who work in the govt. Wikiturk ( talk) 07:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Look at that link (in spanish). Indonesia doesn´t recognize formally Kosovo´s independence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.131.166 ( talk) 01:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Could someone archive this talk page? It is getting very long. I would do it myself but I'm afraid I don't know how. Thanks. -- Plasma Twa 2 ( talk) 01:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
In order to be just and objective we should list only official government statements from (Foreign Affairs Ministry). In this way we would be sure of the exact and reliable information. Allot of statements are politically motivated or do not express the official government statement on the issue.
Comments? -- 80.80.167.177 ( talk) 07:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Suisse with the majority of votes has declared in their parliament that they are for Independent Kosovo, therefore yesterday the swiss government has initiated proceedings for recognition. See the article of the Federal Assembly. www.parlament.ch/E/Medienmitteilungen/Pages/mm-apk-s-2008-02-21.aspx -- 80.80.167.177 ( talk) 07:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok. so what? -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 07:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
No Government Official Statement has been issued that declares anti-independence for Kosovo. The Article is from a radio station and it has nothing to do with the Foreign Affairs Minister and his Government. It should be removed from the States that do not recognize Kosovo. -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 07:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
SEE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT STATEMENT: www.mfa.gov.ua/mfa/en/publication/content/16732.htm
Until there is something Official that Denies this Statement then you can list it where it is now, but till then Ukraine belongs to the list of Other states, including undecided or ambiguous positions
Please be OBJECTIVE!!!
-- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 07:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
The Article that suggests that Venezuela has stated something over the situation in Kosovo is wrong. This article regards China and its not an Official Venezuelan Government Statement. -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 07:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Taiwan is a partially Recognized State and Should be in a Separate Section like it used to be. -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 09:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Any Comments? -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 13:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Why list a political group of the European Parliament? If we list a smaller group of the EP, we should also list all the major groups as well as the other smaller groups and independents. I had deleted it, but user Top Gun reverted my delete. And why stop at the EP? We should also add the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, the OSCE PA, the WEU PA, the Council of Europe PA, and all of their respective political groups. The GUE-NGL is only the sixth largest political group of the European Parliament. Please delete it.-- Scotchorama ( talk) 09:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I Think you are RIGHT about this issue,I Completely agree. -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 13:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Notes needed on which specific grounds these countries are against the Kosovan declaration of independence. Preferably sourced with official statements. -- Camptown ( talk) 10:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Portugal is not in the way of recognizing Kosovo. If we exclude the Communist Party and the Left Block, that already spoke against recognition, everyone wanted more talks and agreements. Portugal's position is somehow a "wait and see". It is not starting any kind of process that will lead to recognition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sapedro ( talk • contribs) 11:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC) Proof needed...-- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 11:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I put this text before but seems that people don't read old talks. I found this article
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/02/19/stories/2008021959721000.htm
The article quotes the Foreign Office and says that the official standing of India is that sovereignty ans territorial integrity of all countries should be fully respected and that India supports further dialog of the concerned parties.
I think that India should be moved on the list of countries which have expressed concern over unilateral moves or expressed wish for further negotiations. Popara13 ( talk) 11:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
This Country Should be moved on to States which have expressed concern over unilateral moves or expressed wish for further negotiations because there is no explicit statement that Belarus does not recognize Kosovo as independent. -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 11:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Any Comments? -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 12:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
UN SC resolution 1244 is a bit ambiguous EJ, and that's why all this is going on. -- GreenClawPrishtina ( talk) 13:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd say the resolution 1244 is 'ambiguous' just to those who'd like it to be ambiguous. In fact, it suddenly became ambiguous after five unsuccessful attempts by the US and its allies to pass a new resolution in the UN SC in the middle of the last year. Popara13 ( talk) 13:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
[12], says that Algeria has never had a position on Kosovo independence; "Sur le volet international, les deux chefs d'Etat devraient évoquer la situation inquiétante dans certains pays africains, comme le Tchad et le Kenya, et les tensions interminables au Moyen-Orient. Quant au Kosovo, et alors qu'Alger n'a jamais fait connaître sa position sur sa probable indépendance, Moscou a réitéré jeudi dernier sa totale opposition à une telle déclaration." -- Soman ( talk) 13:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
See [13], "JRC [Joint Revolutionary Council] said they suspected the arrest of Okah was planned by the major oil companies and other anti Niger Delta elements who they have assured would be paid back in due time.They called on all Ijaws to rise up and fight for their rights, pointing out those events in Kosovo should be their beacon of hope." -- Soman ( talk) 13:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
The topic of the article is "International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence", not "Diplomatic reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence." How are street protests in Serbia not part of the nternational reaction? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 13:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I suggest that the categories of states which do not recognize Kosovo, and the category of states which have in fact not recognized it but added explicitly that they are in favor of continued negotiations, should be merged. Not recognizing is not recognizing, no matter what your subsequent proposal for the conflict is. In fact, countries which do not recognize it most probably would have done so, if the declaration of independence was a result of negotiations. I.e. if Serbia agreed, they would have followed. So I think one way or the other, these two categories should be merged. At the end day, the distinction we are making here is recognition, non recognition and an ambivalent declaration. Not recognizing AND suggesting further negotiations falls under non recognition. -- Bgdboy011 ( talk) 13:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Please can someone archive this page, or at least the first 100 or so comments! It is getting very, very long. I'd do it but am not sure how. Thanks!-- Scotchorama ( talk) 14:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)