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"Since 1986 only Norway, Iceland and especially Japan have been issued with permits, with Japan being the sole permit holder since 1995 as part of their 16-year programme. Norway lodged a protest to the zero catch limits in 1992 and is not bound by them."
Could someone expand on Norway's legal objection? It sounds like if you protest then you are not bound by the ban and it's OK to whale as far as the IWC is concerned, which doesn't sound like much of a ban. — Tokek 17:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Would a table of members, describing details such as when they joined the commission, whether they used to or currently hunt whales, and if they are landlocked (and perhaps their overall voting stance), be useful? Andjam 04:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
It appear that only allegation which get publicity is the one which put unfavourable light on pro-whaling side. I will change the section to "Allegation of Politics". I will also add issues which get more prominence in prowhaling countries such as Japan. Vapour
Changed the title to "Politics". What U.S. did isn't allegation. I might later add Revised Management Scheme section, where pro whaling side is accusing anti whaling side of filbustering the scheme. Moreover, (allegedlly, of course) it was anti whaling side which initially inflated their vote by lobbying for countries such as Switzland (a land locked countries) to join IWC. IWC's purpose is to make whaling sustainable. To be a member of IWC while being against whaling on principle is just plain politics. Oh well, that what pro side claim, anyway. Vapour
Allegations link removed - Why? - I noticed there was a broken link at the bottom of this page "Greenpeace allegations of vote buying". This link had been there for many months. I simply fixed it so it went to an updated and working URL. Now Sammytheseal has deleted the link. Offering the explanation that the claims are "unproven". I think the Greenpeace page (which I wrote) does a very good job of substantiating these allegations. Please read the page (and briefing it links to), and judge for self.
Knowing about Japan's vote buying is vital to understanding what is happening with the IWC at this time. Therefore, the link should go back in. However, this page already contains some quotes concerning vote buying, but in a bit of a mish mash. Maybe a separate section would be warranted to sort it out, but since I am new I'm reluctant to create one on my own.
Furthermore, these sentences in the current version are not quite accurate:
Greenpeace alleges that Japan's aid activities and these countries voting patterns are correlated. The fact that these poor countries, many of which have no history of whaling either culturally or commercially, are prepared to pay IWC membership and send delegates is assumed to be linked to aid from Japan.
Greenpeace's allegations are based on public statements of government officials and an analysis of voting patterns compared to aid received - not assumptions. I will correct the second sentence accordingly.
Apologies for my wordiness on the discussion page. I am new here and want to make my thinking clear. Advice welcome. Andrew-Galvanize-Davies
I shifted RMS to Politics section simply because the content is about politics of RMS rather than what RMS is. I do not object to RMS being revived. Just that this time it should be about what RMS is. Vapour
Anyone care to add the four new member countries to the notes section? could´nt figure out how to ( it´s late :) SammytheSeal 21:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it wise to add the allegations that whale meat is no longer particularly popular in Japan and even the scientific whaling meat is supposedly difficult to sell requiring various measures such as giving it away for free etc to try and entice customers and keeping whaling alive or is this best left for other articles? Nil Einne 22:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Here are some partial figures for 2006 : ( all figures in Tonnes )
March - Stockpile size at previous month end 2898 -Incoming stock 539- Outgoing stock 827- Stockpile size at current month end 3610
April - 3610......2920......561.....5969
May - 5969.......129......357.....5741
June - 5741.......163......414.....5490
July - 5490.......905.....1723.....4672
Best I can do without knowing how to insert a table - hope it´s legible ;) SammytheSeal 23:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Andrew,
Firstly, it would be great if you can add at the end such as I´m doing now, makes a discussion / thread easier to follow - if you need any help, just ask on my talk page.
Regarding the removal of the link, it´s been on my list of things to do for a while now, and seeing it come up on my watchlist reminded me. I´m not against the link per se, but I believe it would be more relevant in either the whaling article and or whaling in Japan or even the Greenpeace article ( if there is a consensus otherwise then fair enough ). The article itself says that the accusations are unproven - and as such, presents a POV ( Greenpeace´s )
By all means, rewrite the article / section to include the accusations with independant links and cites ... I think you´ll find that other editors may very well include the ICR / Japanese viewpoint to counterpoint it and or edit it ... but be my guest .. welcome to the wonderful world of Wikipedia ;) SammytheSeal 15:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I´d like to propose that we split off the yearly meetings onto a separate page - only leaving a brief description and link -it would go a long way towards cleaning up the article...opinions? I´m willing to attempt it anyway. SammytheSeal 19:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me, new to this discussion but the following paragraph could be read to indicate that Canada is not a whaling country, when in fact it has had a long term aboriginal subsistence hunt. Maybe the first line 'Non Whaling nations have expressed similar sentiments', should be removed or anoither example used.
Non-whaling nations have expressed similar sentiments. Canada withdrew from the IWC after the vote to impose the moratorium, claiming that "[t]he ban was inconsistent with measures that had just been adopted by the IWC that were designed to allow harvests of stocks at safe levels."
Where be the truth 11:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Whaling is over. With the latest find that bowhead whales live anywhere from 120 to 210 years (sic!), people of the world will turn against those groups that kill these mathuselam animals. The great age of whales is supported by harpoon fragment finds as well as amino acid measurements in eyeballs and study of layerings in the whale's inner ear, the proof is scientifically irrefutable. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6751175.stm
A person who kills a bicentennial giant turtle whould be treated like a terrorist, so why should we take a different stance toward whalers? Especially considering that they kill mammals, which are much closer to humans than turtles. 82.131.210.162 18:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
So like, man, old animals are sacred right? Tell yah what, I'm never gonna chop down a tree again: ever. Cause its like, wrong. Cause its old. Ya know? —Preceding
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Hi Geronimo (and any others who may be reading -- although things seem pretty quiet on here)
Just to lay out the changes Geronimo made to my formulation of the intro (I revamped the intro significantly because it basically read like the intro to an article on the 1986 IWC moratorium rather than the IWC, and was fairly poor on the whole, IMHO):
Original intro (ie my recent formulation), with changes made by G in bold:
Since the late 1970s, however, the IWC has become dominated by governments who appear to be largely opposed to the practice of commercial whaling. The result of this shift is most evident in the IWC's adoption of a five-year moratorium on commercial whaling in 1986, which has been extended up until the present, and in the 1994 creation of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.
The role of the IWC has thus come under strain, with an anti-whaling faction pushing for the indefinite continuation of the moratorium and the creation of ever more sanctuaries and a pro-whaling faction pushing for the end of the moratorium and the return of annual quotas.
Geronimo's edit (with changes similarly highlighted):
Since the late 1970s however, most member governments of the IWC have been opposed to the practice of commercial whaling. The result of this shift is most evident in the IWC's adoption of a five-year moratorium on commercial whaling in 1986, which has been extended up until the present, and in the 1994 creation of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.
The role of the IWC has come under strain, with an anti-whaling faction pushing for the continuation of the moratorium and the creation of more sanctuaries and a pro-whaling faction pushing for the end of the moratorium and the return of annual quotas.
[ends]
Geronimo's edit summary was that it was 'pro-whaling POV' and 'weasel'.
First of all, the comma should definitely not have been deleted, unless the comma *after* the 'however' was also deleted (you can either have commas around 'however' or none, but you can't have just one of them -- it's simply incorrect).
Second, saying 'most member governments of the IWC have been opposed to commercial whaling' is poorly worded grammatically, and I don't think it accurately sums up that the IWC has indeed 'become dominated' by anti-whaling governments -- partly because of the massive expansion in membership, which was indeed deliberately pushed by anti-whaling groups and governments for that intended purpose. Also, it has indeed 'become dominated', in that it was a gradual process.
While it may seem (and indeed may be) a little bit 'weasel-wordy' to say that the anti-whaling governments 'appear to be largely opposed to the practice of commercial whaling', I think it is a pretty true reflection of the reality, certainly more so than saying 'they have been opposed to commercial whaling'. Why? Because they don't come straight out and say that they oppose commercial whaling per se, in all circumstances. Rather, they talk about sustainability, welfare and other such issues.
However, I accept my wording could possibly be improved.
I don't know why anyone would remove the word 'thus'. It's totally true, and is what is written in the body of the article (and leads should summarise/reflect the upcoming content of the article). Furthermore, it's good English, otherwise it doesn't seem like there is any connection between the two paras, when there obviously is.
As for 'indefinite', I'd argue it is a neutral word, and one which reflects the reality, HOWEVER I can see that it POSSIBLY betrays a certain bias and/or 'crystal ball' mentality in that I can't know whether anti-whaling governments will ever relent in their opposition to having the moratorium lifted.
Finally, the 'ever more sanctuaries' probably IS a bit loaded, I accept that, and haven't re-inserted it.
In conclusion, I hope we can discuss the concerns you have with things in a bit more detail so I can understand a bit better what you're objecting to, and how best to resolve any dispute.
Cheers Jonathanmills ( talk) 23:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm removing some of the POV words in the intro, but I appreciate that it (the intro) has already been significantly discussed here, so I am also tagging it with POV. I have some issues with the current version; in particular the word 'dominated by' ( WP:W2W#Contentious_labels) and 'appear to be largely opposed' ( WP:W2W#Unsupported_attributions). In response to the original poster, if you would like to discuss that opinion (that the IWC is largely anti-whaling) then it would probably be ideal to find an article to support such a sentiment. -- Carbon Rodney 07:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi Vapour, I reverted your edit " unlike formal international treaty " - It´s common in many international treaties. Here´s the IWC comment on it "The government or governments that object are not then bound by that particular decision. This mechanism has been strongly criticised as rendering the Commission 'toothless', but without it the Convention would probably have never been signed. In addition, without such a right (common to many international agreements), a government would still have been able to withdraw from the Convention and thus not be bound by any of the regulations." Plus, you are directly contradicting what it says a few sentences later SammytheSeal ( talk) 20:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi guys,
Just to bring to your attention the fact that the above was in fact a separate article (although a horribly factually incorrect one, before I made some edits!)
I then formally proposed the entire thing for deletion -- on the grounds that it was a ridiculously small topic ('*Sites* of IWC *annual* meetings' -- ie only the SITES, and NOT including any intersessional 'special' IWC meetings).
Anyway, apparently the decision was made to 'merge' -- although with respect to the editors who commented on it, I don't think they quite understood the full situation, ie that this 'topic' is nothing other than a *list* at best, AND that we already have a list of recent IWC meetings (which includes their location).
So... Not sure what to do about this now. That was actually my first attempt at nominating an article for deletion, so this is all a bit new to me.
I actually DON'T think the content should be merged into the main article, as this would simply mean extending our present list by another 25 years' worth or so. It still wouldn't be a full list, and that would surely (IMHO!) be an unnecessary waste of space.
Anyone have any input on this? Jonathanmills ( talk) 18:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Have done a trial merge of the List into an Appendix; the whole list is too long and would interrupt the article (although having the recent ones from 2000 in the body of the article is OK). If others agree I would make the list page a redirect to this page? If anyone is still keen they could add the earlier and special meetings to the Appendix. Should "see also" go before the appendix? Hugo999 ( talk) 23:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Earthtrust is but one NGO that observes the IWC. Why does it get first billing in the see also section? Surely Whaling or one of the pages on controversy is a better first choice? 150.203.35.113 ( talk) 14:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Effective from 30th June 2013. See http://iwc.int/cache/downloads/dgofwnmucu804cscogswwck04/IWCCCG1063.pdf thus the membership is now 88 parties. Fromthehill ( talk) 11:18, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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