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-- Daltonsatom ( talk) 18:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Internal consistency issue: last sentence of intro says 40 games at launch, while near the end of "Games" paragraph it says "about 30" games at launch. Ref. 5 and 29 is used for both and reference 5 and 29 are the same. Ref 5/29 says 40 games, so I'll change it to that for now. The June 21, 2019 date of reference 5/29 should be added to the citation [done]. I don't want to try to attempt to merge the citations, myself, as I might mess it up.
-- Daltonsatom ( talk) 03:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Please indicate what changes you have made to the article when you make an edit, rather than just leaving it blank.
Most of these game titles are not official. I have spoken with Mr. Tallarico and he has said that any of these games could be cancelled or shelved indefinitely if they do not meet their quality requirements. Also, many of the titles from trailers are just guessed at since the title was never shown or announced.
https://atariage.com/forums/topic/288558-intellivision-amico-tommy-tallarico-introduction-qa/?do=findComment&comment=4441489 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daltonsatom ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The games you deleted have citations from the ceo of the company. None of the games in the list have been released and all have varying degrees of uncertainty. For example the announced packin Snafoo is being delayed and may not be ready at launch. It doesn't mean it's cancelled. It's not uncommon that games during development have unofficial names. Earthworm Jim 4 is an unofficial name that hasn't even been used by Intellivision Entertainnent. That doesn't mean these games shouldn't be listed. All but one of the games from the trailer will be released before the end of the year; subject to change of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.46.177 ( talk) 06:17, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
-- Daltonsatom ( talk) 16:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)I didn't delete any games in the list. I just stated as a qualification that many titles were mentioned in passing as possibilities in interviews, and not good citations. Many were pictures without names and and release of any title is not certain, although most are likely. -- Daltonsatom ( talk) 16:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)Without going into detail, Mr. Tallarico has also said he doesn't like these lists because many of the ones he names are on his to do list but depend on if a developer wants to do it and if he feels the developer is a good fit.
They've said the new Earthworm Jim will not be a 2D platformer. https://atariage.com/forums/topic/288558-intellivision-amico-tommy-tallarico-introduction-qa/?do=findComment&comment=4306193
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.46.177 ( talk) 05:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Actually, Tommy told me himself that it would be mostly a 2D platformer. It will just have non-platform elements in it. Daltonsatom ( talk) 17:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)daltonsatom
The atari creep price/value breakdown is speculative and not a proper source. The Tron license has not been announced as of this writing (October 2020). There are no usb ports in the cradle. The Dean Takahashi article says 40 games total not 46 (6+30 is about 40). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.43.219 ( talk) 18:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
The source about SD card media is old Since then they've said the physical media is patent pending and are unable to discuss until summer 2020. https://atariage.com/forums/topic/288558-intellivision-amico-tommy-tallarico-introduction-qa/page/38/?tab=comments#comment-4303941 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.46.177 ( talk) 18:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
It's been recently confirmed that there will be no SD card media for game distribution. They will sell collectables with rfid that contain the game license that will trigger the console to automatically authorise and download the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0MWxP5SRYI
-- Daltonsatom ( talk) 17:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Tommy Tallarico also said in that video that the collectables with RFID was just one idea of many and none of it may ever happen.
The Intellivision is not the predecessor of the Amico and Amico is not the successor to the intellivision. Intellivision did not precede Amico, there's thirty years between them. Intellivision did not succeed Amico, Intellivision was replace by countless other game systems in the last 38 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.46.177 ( talk) 01:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Based on these forum posts from the "official" Q&A thread, Mr. Tallarico has confirmed that third-party Bluetooth controllers will be compatible with his console. However, he has warned that many games will not support third-party controllers, due to the lack of a touchscreen:
https://atariage.com/forums/topic/288558-intellivision-amico-tommy-tallarico-introduction-qa/?do=findComment&comment=4440860 https://atariage.com/forums/topic/288558-intellivision-amico-tommy-tallarico-introduction-qa/?do=findComment&comment=4450903
This website is not a journalistic outlet, though, so I won't be adding that information to the article. Is there any news source that has reported on this?
Megalomaniaman ( talk) 04:13, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
The console specifications on the official website lists bluetooth support. Wikipedia doesn't require a journalist for a source, a statement from the CEO of the manufacturer should be sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.46.177 ( talk) 23:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Although the ceo has said amico prototypes support standard bluetooth game controllers, that does not mean the final product will have that feature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.117.86 ( talk) 22:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
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Pretend you're a reader looking at the game list. You see Cosmic Ark and think, "I never heard of that, let me see what it is." You click on the link and it's to a section on that game's page reading "An updated version of the game has been announced for release exclusively for the Intellivision Amico." That's not helpful at all. What you really want is a link to the top of the article to see what the game is about.
I fixed this, but an anonymous user reverted it, and I don't want to get into an edit war. Dgpop ( talk) 15:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
A link to a page about a game from the 1980s is misleading. Amico won't have that game it will have a modern remake. — Preceding
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As noted by several removals of controversial subject material, the sole contribution of user Daltonsatom, as viewed here [1], are major changes and favorable additions to this page.
It is possible this user is connected to the subject of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.88.235.139 ( talk • contribs)
My response to 50.88.235.139: :This is a lie by someone seeking to turn the introduction into a biased negative commentary on Intellivision and the Amico focused soley on highlighting price changes over several years and delays in the console and add only c charged negatively biased controversial statements not directly related to the console or telling only part of the story. If you look at the contributions of 50.88.235.139, starting less than a month ago, [2] they begin with using charged negatively biased language. I left these alone and I and another contributor added material for a more balanced, dispassionate article, but 50.88.235.139 came in and removed them, so, I began removing what I thought irrelevant that he added and he came back and undid it. I am not affiliated with Intellivision or the Amico. However, a video referenced by 50.88.235.139 as a citation (by Ninja Kitty) shows him to be associated with internet trolls. Daltonsatom ( talk)
My response to 50.88.235.139:Work around your edits to remove your contribution? What does that even mean? Giving a more balanced perspective rather than a one-sided biased perspective is removing your contribution? That goes against the philosophy of Wikipedia. You seemed to have no problem deciding what you thought was relevant in removing additions to the introduction and controversy section. The Amico has been shown and played in public and appeared complete in its performance and is held back due to a parts shortage, so I don't see why you would refer to it as a typical unreleased/vaporware console like the Phantom Games console. You seem biased against the factual reality. Daltonsatom ( talk)
50.88.235.139 appears to be seeking to turn the introduction into a biased negative commentary on Intellivision and the Amico and add only negatively biased parts of controversial statements. If you look at the contributions of 50.88.235.139, starting less than a month ago, [3] they begin with using charged negatively biased language. I left these alone and I and another contributor added material for a more balanced, dispassionate article, but 50.88.235.139 came in and removed them, so, I began removing what I thought irrelevant that he added and he came back and undid it. Here is an example: To his addition of material being removed from the developers portal, I added that the pages had been stamped with "Confidential" and Ars Technica cropped that off before posting them. 50.88.235.139 removed that addition with the claim "journalist don't care if something is confidential". Maybe they don't, but his reason is ridiculous because it is very relevant that they would hide that they were confidential. Another example is removing a reference to the impact of COVID on delays by saying they were "advertising". See my response to his statement above for more detail. A video that was referenced by 50.88.235.139 as a citation (by Ninja Kitty) shows him to be associated with internet trolls. Daltonsatom ( talk)
Introduction
The Intellivision Amico is an upcoming video game console produced by Intellivision Entertainment. The system was first revealed in October 2018 with basic hardware specifications and a price range estimated to be "$149 - $179".[4][5] Pre-orders for Founder's Editions bundles, which include a special edition console, $50 gift card and collectibles[6], began in January 2020 for the price of $299.99 with a refundable $100 deposit, followed by preorders for other versions of the console ranging in price from $249 to $299. [7][8] An initial release date of October 10, 2020 was set, but on August 5 Intellivision Entertainemt changed it to April 15, 2021. in February 2021, in the midst of unprecedented pandemic related restrictions, an announcement pushed the release date to October 10, 2021, exactly one year after its originally intended launch.[9] On Aug 7, 2021 Intellivision Entertainment announced they have to postpone the release due to "international component supply and logistics challenges". No new date was specified.[10] The system will launch with six pack-in titles and over 20 further games.[11]
Controversy
J Allard was touted as having joined the Intellivision Entertainment team in 2020 to help launch the Amico.[61] He was brought on board as Global Managing Director in May 2020. According to J. Allard, he left the company later that summer.[62] However, in 2021, the Intellivision Amico revenue share investment offering on Republic.co still listed J. Allard being on the team at Intellivision Entertainment, and when brought to the attention of the company's CEO, Tommy Tallarico, he said that J. Allard was a part-time advisor.
The SEC reached out to Republic, who were advised by Intellivision Entertainment of the following" (i) J Allard served as the Company’s Global Managing Director from before the filing of the first Amico Form 1-A until after the qualification of that Form 1-A on October 21, 2020; (ii) during that time, Mr. Allard served as a full-time advisor to Intellivision, helping Intellivision in the final stages of Amico hardware development; (iii) after this work of his was completed, Mr. Allard ceased serving as a full-time advisor, but has remained available to give advice when contacted by Intellivision; and (iv) considering his contributions overall, Mr. Allard has not played a material role in Amico product development."[63]
Tallarico was asked for a Nintendo Life article to clarify the status of J. Allard. He said "To be clear, J was never an employee of Intellivision." He went on to say J Allard was brought on as a consultant as they were finalising the hardware and operating system. "After J’s time was over we spoke about a potentially bigger role but he didn’t feel there was a right spot or fit for him moving forward but he welcomed any kind of e-mails from our team and simple consulting if needed.[64] Daltonsatom ( talk)
Introduction
The Intellivision Amico is an upcoming video game console produced by Intellivision Entertainment. The system was first revealed in October 2018 with basic hardware specifications and a price range estimated to be "$149 - $179".[4][5] Pre-orders for Founder's Editions bundles began in January 2020 for the price of $299.99 with a refundable $100 deposit. [7][8] An initial release date of October 10, 2020 was set, but on August 5, 2020, Intellivision Entertainment delayed the release to April 15, 2021. In February 2021, an announcement pushed the release date again to October 10, 2021, exactly one year after its originally intended launch.[9] On Aug 7, 2021 Intellivision Entertainment announced that they would postpone the release again due to component supply shortages. No new launch date was provided.[10]
Controversy
J Allard was touted as having joined the Intellivision Entertainment team in 2020 to help launch the Amico.[61] He was brought on board as Global Managing Director in May 2020. According to J. Allard, he left the company later that summer.[62] However, in 2021, the Intellivision Amico crowdfunding and revenue share investment offering on Republic.co still listed J Allard being on the team at Intellivision Entertainment, and when brought to the attention of the company's CEO, Tommy Tallarico, he said that J Allard was a part-time advisor.
Additionally, in March of 2021, in a scripted investment pitch to Angel Investors, Tommy Tallarico also stated in reference to J Allard that "He loves our idea and concept so much, that he joined the team, and has been making huge, huge contributions" [1]
The SEC reached out to Republic about the state of J Allard's employment with the company, and to ask what his contributions were to the Amico game console's development, who were advised by Intellivision Entertainment of the following" (i) J Allard served as the Company’s Global Managing Director from before the filing of the first Amico Form 1-A until after the qualification of that Form 1-A on October 21, 2020; (ii) during that time, Mr. Allard served as a full-time advisor to Intellivision, helping Intellivision in the final stages of Amico hardware development; (iii) after this work of his was completed, Mr. Allard ceased serving as a full-time advisor, but has remained available to give advice when contacted by Intellivision; and (iv) considering his contributions overall, Mr. Allard has not played a material role in Amico product development."[63]
Tallarico was again asked for a Nintendo Life article to clarify the status of J Allard. He said "To be clear, J was never an employee of Intellivision." He went on to say J Allard was brought on as a consultant as they were finalizing the hardware and operating system. "After J’s time was over we spoke about a potentially bigger role but he didn’t feel there was a right spot or fit for him moving forward but he welcomed any kind of e-mails from our team and simple consulting if needed.[64]
Introduction
The Intellivision Amico is an upcoming video game console produced by Intellivision Entertainment. The system was first revealed in October 2018 with basic hardware specifications.[4][5] Pre-orders for Founder's Editions bundles, which include a special edition console, $50 gift card and collectibles[6], began in January 2020, followed by preorders for other versions of the console still available ranging in price from $249 to $299, all with a refundable $100 deposit. [7][8] The October 10, 2021 targeted launch date was postponed due to "international component supply and logistics challenges". No new date was specified, although Intellivision will attempt to ship all pre-orders by the end of the year.[A][10] The system will launch with six pack-in titles and over 20 further games.[11]
Controversy
J Allard was touted as having joined the Intellivision Entertainment team in 2020 to help launch the Amico.[61] He was brought on board as Global Managing Director in May 2020. According to J. Allard, he left the company later that summer.[62] However, in 2021, the Intellivision Amico revenue share investment offering on Republic.co still listed J. Allard being on the team at Intellivision Entertainment, and when brought to the attention of the company's CEO, Tommy Tallarico, he said that J. Allard was a part-time advisor.
The SEC reached out to Republic, who were advised by Intellivision Entertainment of the following" (i) J Allard served as the Company’s Global Managing Director from before the filing of the first Amico Form 1-A until after the qualification of that Form 1-A on October 21, 2020; (ii) during that time, Mr. Allard served as a full-time advisor to Intellivision, helping Intellivision in the final stages of Amico hardware development; (iii) after this work of his was completed, Mr. Allard ceased serving as a full-time advisor, but has remained available to give advice when contacted by Intellivision; and (iv) considering his contributions overall, Mr. Allard has not played a material role in Amico product development."[63]
Tallarico was asked for a Nintendo Life article to clarify the status of J. Allard. He said "To be clear, J was never an employee of Intellivision." He went on to say J Allard was brought on as a consultant as they were finalising the hardware and operating system. "After J’s time was over we spoke about a potentially bigger role but he didn’t feel there was a right spot or fit for him moving forward but he welcomed any kind of e-mails from our team and simple consulting if needed.[64]
Daltonsatom ( talk)
@ Fyrael:here is your secondary reputable source for trying to ship by the end of the year: https://venturebeat.com/2021/08/09/intellivision-delays-its-amico-retro-console-launch-yet-again/ Daltonsatom ( talk)
@ Fyrael: By the way, the listing of launch delays is also found in the development sub-section of the Hardware section, so it was added redundantly. Daltonsatom ( talk)
I have replaced material sourced from this article by Ars Technica, an accepted reliable source. The article stands, unretracted, and the fact that the information was "leaked" does not make it unreliable or unusable here. You may not remove reliably-sourced information merely because you don't like the way the information was obtained. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 17:50, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Fyrael: NorthBySouthBaranof just removed material you edited as acceptable, derailing this negotiation. "The original documents were labelled "Not For Public Dissemination", but this was cropped off on the images posted in the Ars Technica article. Faced with accusations of violating copyright law". This is a controversial thing to do. He also made some other questionable changes. The removed material is in a major news source, unlike the Allard material, and not obtained by nefarious means like Ars Technica's technical specs he added. You may notice how agitated these new commenters are (see below as well). I will let you decide if someone is calling in friends for assistance. Daltonsatom ( talk)
@ NorthBySouthBaranof: So, what spurred your sudden interest in this article you've never edited before? Daltonsatom ( talk)
@ NorthBySouthBaranof: @ Fyrael: I strongly and formally disagree with this following quoted assessment from NorthBySouthBaranof as an exaggeration. I initailly left 50's comments while adding my own and it was him who began removing my comments and I have made numerous trivial and non-trivial edits that are not out to give only a positive impression. "It is apparent that you have a single-minded focus on this product, and specifically are here to make edits which defend this product from any criticism or negative material." More ad hominem accusations, just like the newcomers. I'm not going to repeat myself, yet again, on why this accusation is false. What talk page did you see this negotiation mentioned on? Daltonsatom ( talk)
@ NorthBySouthBaranof: @ Fyrael: FYI, that Ars Technica article being cited is riddled with at least a dozen factual errors about the console. I can work on a list if you wish. I don't see how it can be seen as a reliable source for anything else. This is not favoritism, it is striving for balance in perspective and legitimacy, which is what Wikipedia wants.
@ Fyrael: I appreciate your reply. I don't want to beleaguer moving forward. I will say "fan" is a stretch. I'm maybe 25% likely to buy it and haven't pre-ordered it. I was interested in its uniqueness and maybe 75% likely to get it 18 months ago and a lot of people said they were having trouble finding information about the console, so, I became interested in trying to provide that at Wikipedia. I put a ton of hours into navigating the labyrinth necessary to post pictures so people who visit could actually see the console and controller. I do realize Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, though. That's why universities generally don't allow it as a source in research papers. I do have a question/uncertainty of understanding about what you and North said about the Ars article policy. Regarding the Ars Technica paper, I'm not going to fight over getting it removed, but I am surprised people are basically saying they have no choice and must add material to Wikipedia from a source they know may be poorly researched. I would think the person who is going to post material from it will fact check it before using it as a reliable source or remove it after fact checking it if it is found to lack rigorousness of research. Yet, apparently, because a careless person posted something from it months ago, we're now bound to find another secondary source disproving it's reliability, despite a dozen objective, quantitative errors in it. I'm not going to bother as what was posted from it is trivial and a news source reporting on errors in another online magazines article is probably a unicorn. Just surprised there is not some fact checking factor in place on Wikipedia. Having trouble wrapping my head around that. There is that secondary source rule, but like I said reliability is poorly peer reviewed. Off my soap box. No hard feelings. Daltonsatom ( talk)
The COO of Intellivision Entertainment said in an interview that the images posted were labelled "confidential, not for public distribution" and followed by saying distributing that information is illegal. He goes on to say that after having a conversation with Ars Technica the images were removed. It may not be Ars Technica that modified the images. It could have been removed by others without Ars Technica knowing, and therefore Ars Technica did not know they posted it illegally. But the images are not what makes the Ars Technica article a poor article, and it's not illegal to write a poor article with mistakes and statements out of context. The comments by the COO of Intellivision Entertainment can be heard in this interview at the 1h:20m mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tcBWw4tO00
Much of this article is incredibly poorly sourced to things like webforums, random YouTube videos, and corporate press releases. Contributors to this article should be aware of Wikipedia's verifiability and reliable sourcing rules - anything in the encyclopedia must be supported by a citation to a reliable source, and preferably a reliable secondary source. Someone posting something on Reddit is the definition of an unreliable source, and corporate press releases are apt to be self-serving. Just because you can find something on a forum that says something, doesn't mean it can go in Wikipedia. Right now, there is no announced release date for the console, and so to propose that games will be released on any particular date is, at best, dubious. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 21:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the work you've done to fix the advertising state of this page. I would suggest protecting this article from further vandalization by those who are connected to the project with single-purpose accounts. 50.88.235.139 ( talk) 12:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
The newest Kotaku article mentions the J Allard and SEC issues, NorthBySouthBaranof, do you think it is appropriate to post the J Allard controversy at this point, since it has been referenced in a journalistic source? 50.88.235.139 ( talk) 15:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
There are no absolutes for Wikipedia sources. A statement by the CEO or COO is a valid primary source regardless of where it's made. Some company statements might be self serving but they can also be facts. And yes primary sources can be valid sources and often the best source because they are the only source. Secondary sources typically repeat the primary source, sometimes getting it wrong. Similarly, a web site considered to be a valid source doesn't mean everything they write is automatically a credible source.
I don't understand the opposition to having the manufacturer's target release dates for games. It's helpful for people to know what games are expected at launch and what is expected after. Primary sources like official manufacturer's websites, are valid Wikipedia sources and often the best source of information. These are target dates and of course subject to change. Someone said, nobody know when they are coming out. How do you know what the manufacturer knows? It's the target date that they have on their official web site. This Wikipedia article looks worse without them as people have no idea which games are in development and which announced titles are not.
What difference does it make if they get delayed. Game release dates are relative to the console release. Collecting those estimated release dates here gives people a good idea of what is expected at launch and what's expected later, what's in development and what's not. The wikipedia article was made worse by the removal of that information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.70.75.54 ( talk) 17:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
It doesn't create a problem at all. A missed date is a missed date. Wikipedia just shows that they missed their date, which is also relevant information. 76.70.75.54 ( talk) 19:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Seeing as this image has been added and removed from the article several times, it seems that we need to have a discussion on it. As I mentioned in my edit summary, the gif adds nothing to the section while making it look incredibly promotional. The animation does not add anything that is not already covered in the image directly above it and in the accompanied prose. Why do we need an animation to see that it is wireless, has a color touchscreen, and a "proportional circle" (again, what?)? How does the animation of the controller being slightly rotated to show it has a gyroscope and accelerometer? Similar arguments for the "force feedback" and RFID. Pinging related parties: Daltonsatom Purplewowies. – Pbrks ( t • c) 00:05, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Your very low res extraction looks like crap. Isn't there some policy for minimum resolution of static image? But go ahead and make the page look crappy if you want. Daltonsatom ( talk) 01:40, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
WP:FILESIZE Daltonsatom ( talk) 03:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
To clarify, since I've seen Daltonsatom misquote me repeatedly on this. I agree with removal of the Gif. The still image is fine. -- ferret ( talk) 20:19, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I must insist that 76.70.75.54 stop removing reliably-sourced information merely because they don't like what it says - this is not a fan page for the proposed console, and information which is critical of the product is just as valid as any other information. Attempting to whitewash this article suggests that you may have a conflict of interest in this matter. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 13:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
The source is not reliable and the kotaku article rebuts itself saying things like "It seems very unlikely that these games will feature any new content or modes". It doesn't even know what it's saying. Every Amico game has exclusive content according to this article ( http://gametyrant.com/news/intellivision-amico-presentation-lets-meet-our-new-friend ). Another is stating games are ported from Flash and that they can be played right now. Well modern browsers don't support Flash so they can't possibly be Flash games. Again rebutting itself. 76.70.75.54 ( talk) 14:30, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Nobody is saying there are no ports, this wikipedia article already has points elsewhere about ported games and exclusive content elsewhere. Right now this Wikipedia article has wrong information regarding Flash games, and links to an article that has more wrong information. Facts are not opinion and wikipedia shouldn't present an author's opinion as fact, especially when they are wrong. Further there is nothing relevant in the paragraph added. 76.70.75.54 ( talk) 15:15, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
there is nothing relevantabout discussing the truth of the company's claims and marketing. That you don't like a source which challenges Intellivision's corporate PR suggests you have a conflict of interest here. As I said, we aren't here to simply regurgitate corporate marketing statements about a product - we include a variety of viewpoints, including opposing and negative ones. If you can't deal with that, then Wikipedia isn't the site for you. We're not here to be a fansite for any product. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 15:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
If you want to make a point about the CEO's behaviour, it should go in the controversy section because that has nothing to do with the development history of the products. Otherwise what's relevant with saying a writer is critical regarding "transparency about its ongoing issues with delivering the product," when all the source says on the matter (besides the pandemic) is "it seems apparent that other factors are at work here too." What factors? Is it because they say "A “new” trailer released in 2021 seemed to be mostly the same trailer that was released in 2019, with only a few minor edits." The fact is most of the gameplay segments are different than the 2019 video. Anyone can look at the two videos and see for themselves. Is it because it is only as powerful, as the 2016 Android phone mentioned in an ArsTechnica article. The fact is the ARSTehnica article actually identified a second chip, correctly specified here in Wikipedia, that's newer and has double the graphics power. Is it because it says developers are getting a bad revenue share and the CEO did not deny it in a NintendoLife article. The fact is, they fail to mention that the NintendoLife article says they pay the developers to make most of the games. Royalties are a nice bonus when development is paid for. I love the source it's a good laugh and people who like he said she said gossip should like it too, but it should go in the controversy section. If you want to leave the part about the one Flash game fine, it's only one Amico game out of dozens. And yes they did say that new exclusive content has been created for it, just as they demonstrated exclusive content for the few other games that have been ported from other systems. 76.70.75.54 ( talk) 20:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
The current state of the Kotaku article information reads as if it's being posted with the intention of having someone go and read the article rather than adding information to the wiki. I removed the original entry because of this and it feels like its been posted in the same way again. Does this feel like a legitimate addition that adds development info to the wiki? Thanks! Jrose724 ( talk) 19:46, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Further to that, the paragraph says there are games ported from the Flash platform, where the source referenced says those games (the Sesame Street games) are not using the Flash platform. It says they were Flash at some point. This is correct because years ago they were rewritten using Html5. The Amico Sesame Street games are ports of Html5 games not Flash games. The paragraph also says the writer of the source reference is a journalist but he doesn't call himself a journalist nor does anyone else. A76707554 ( talk) 11:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Alright, so while the semantics of a game that was in Flash later recoded into HTML5 are argued pointlessly, are the road apples that fall from the mouth of Tommy Tallarico himself considered a reliable source? He's said a lot of things, that lies or otherwise, are statements from the self-purported CEO of Intellivision Entertainment. 2601:540:8200:1895:1F11:1CEA:17AE:94CE ( talk) 01:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
The "road apples" document, is, of course, filled with out-of-context hyperbole, sensationalism and exaggeration, so it is road apples itself. Daltonsatom ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with what the CEO says. A 2018 company press release says the version of a game on Amico is to be exclusive. Meaning other versions of the same game can exist. As Jrose724 said, the kotaku paragraph says nothing relevant and even has incorrect facts. It is merely a link to an external article A76707554 ( talk) 16:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
A76707554 ( talk), let's read the section header again. To wit: Removal of reliably-sourced content. In pushing aside a lame edit war over games that once were Flash and are now HTML5, the question was asked if Tommy's own words were considered a reliable source, irrelevant of the natter. Especially since the CEO has been proven as self-contradictory, flippantly changing words as the winds blow. Here's an article from 2018 citing that there were going to be no ports, dating back to the original press release, from Comicbooks.com If even the veracity of this press release is to be doubted, has a single true word been said about the Amico? 2601:540:8200:1895:1F11:1CEA:17AE:94CE ( talk) 10:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Another example of why you just can't blindly reference web articles. These aren't journalists, these aren't journalistic news sites. Besides the company is more than the CEO. There are four founding partners and the company has used consultans including a marketing firm from the beginning. A76707554 ( talk) 12:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
The web article contains a link which leads to their press release (via ResetEra), including a PDF directly from the company and videos directly from Intellivision itself. Which also contains lies such as the employment status of several founding members, including J. Allard. Who was namedropped numerous times in spite of having never worked for or with Amico. Just how far does one have to go to make a point about how nothing Intellivision has said as a company can be considered true without second guessing it? We're not in school, one is allowed to do a little research for themselves. And that research shows them talking out both ends of their mouths. 2601:540:8200:1895:1F11:1CEA:17AE:94CE ( talk) 13:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
If the kotaku writer read the press release they would know that exclusivity refers to the game version. The writer would also know from the ten commandments image that specifically mentions ports on Amico with exclusive content. Amico games have exclusive content, it's not a lie. How can you say Allard never worked on Amico. Perhaps you're referring to this quote from Fig's lawyer to SEC, " considering his contributions overall, Mr. Allard has not played a material role in Amico product development." Well it obviously says he made contributions to Amico. "during that time, Mr. Allard served as a full-time advisor to Intellivision, helping Intellivision in the final stages of Amico hardware development." You're out of line saying Allard didn't work on Amico. A76707554 ( talk) 23:28, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
NorthbysouthBaranof stated above that original research is explicitly prohibited by Wikipedia, so this "research for themselves" that 2601:540:8200:1895:1F11:1CEA:17AE:94CE keeps slipping in is, in fact, prohibited here. His additions also include misinformation, such as saying the Playdate has launched as of Dec. 29, 2021, when it has not, that COVID-19 has hardly affected other businesses and that J Allard never worked for or with Intellivision and, ironically, repeatedly stating that missing a target date or changing business direction was the CEO lying. This editor appears so misinformed or prone to adding misinformation that his additions to Wikipedia seem untrustworthy. Daltonsatom ( talk) 17:54, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
The Amico has a few problems. Which it is felt fair to report on them, with just a few in mind being:
Dissect the frog how it may be desired, but this is a choice of a swamp to decide to die on. 2601:540:8200:1895:1F11:1CEA:17AE:94CE ( talk) 03:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Practically all his sources are either already already used for citations in the reference section (so illogically in his list) or unreliable and his list of comments is ambiguously cited as a format. Daltonsatom ( talk) 04:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
What user 2601:540:8200:1895:1F11:1CEA:17AE:94CE said in that last comment are either wrong or irrelevant. For example, there's no evidence that the six packins aren't ready, what the original target release date is irrelevant to that. And in their physical games introduction video, their software director did say each physical game is an NFT on the blockchain. Doesn't matter as Wikipedia should stick to facts. And it doesn't matter if the source is the New York Times, if the cited article gets something wrong it shouldn't be in wikipedia. A76707554 ( talk) 08:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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I've issued a retraction of the nomination for deletion. I don't know how long that will take. Also, If you think I am a sockpuppet I am not. I had no problem confronting you head on, even if it was five or six against one. Daltonsatom ( talk) 20:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Just wanted to make sure all participants are familiar with WP:SOCKPUPPET and WP:MEATPUPPET. I'm getting the feeling there are some editors violating it - there's some tell-tale signs that are generally pretty obvious to experienced editors. Please stop before this needs to be escalated. Sergecross73 msg me 18:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)