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 | On 23 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Amico (console). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
https://www.thegamer.com/earthworm-jim-4-cancelled/
Though, with the sidenote that one cannot cancel that which was never being made. 2601:540:8200:811:4616:B8AB:D30:EFEC ( talk) 19:16, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- We're going to need a better source. TheGamer is iffy, and their "source" is just a random Twitter fan on Discord or whatever.
Sergecross73
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19:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/earthworm-jim-4-has-reportedly-been-cancelled/ar-AA17ilOa There. MSN.
2601:540:8200:811:4616:B8AB:D30:EFEC (
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03:30, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- Come on, look at your own source. It says "The Gamer" in big print at the top. They're just hosting the same article, which is based on the same exact rumor from a random fan account.
Sergecross73
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03:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- I read "both" articles, and it seems the news here boils down to "nope lol". The possibility of them having started working on it before actually having the rights would probably be worrisome enough, if there was any actual proof that it happened besides one guy saying it might have maybe probably happened, and a news outlet saying it would be kind of uncool if it did.
- Ironically, this is one of the few moments where Tommy's word might have some value, even if it's left up to wild interpretation.
- Either way, the fact that they seem to have thrown around the concept of around four pieces of EwJ media, but don't seem to have elaborated on any of them (despite already having some dosh to work with) might be enough to keep this fiasco out of this wiki's scope for now. cogsan ( talk) 11:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- Come on, look at your own source. It says "The Gamer" in big print at the top. They're just hosting the same article, which is based on the same exact rumor from a random fan account.
Sergecross73
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03:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/earthworm-jim-4-has-reportedly-been-cancelled/ar-AA17ilOa There. MSN.
2601:540:8200:811:4616:B8AB:D30:EFEC (
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03:30, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- https://kotaku.com/intellivision-amico-android-console-1851045271 Sergecross73 msg me 02:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that the current title is the WP:COMMONNAME ( closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph ( talk) 18:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Intellivision Amico →
Amico (console) – In light of the announcement that
Atari SA has
acquired the Intellivision brand and historic game library, this vaporware console and the company behind it are no longer going to carry the Intellivision branding, meaning the title needs to be updated.
oknazevad (
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17:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- If they bought the brand, why are you certain they wouldn't use the brand name anymore?
Sergecross73
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18:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Because
that's exactly what the news reports said. Did you misunderstand what was announced? The company behind the Amico sold the Intellivision name and historic library to Atari, but not the Amico itself. They no longer own the Intellivision name. Atari will use the name for products based on the library (as they have with other historic properties they've acquired), but Atari has nothing to do with the Amico.
oknazevad (
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18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Even your own source says that it "presumably no longer be called the Intellivision Amico". Right now, the
WP:COMMONNAME would still be "Intellivion Amico", and that's going to be unlikely to change while it doesn't have a new name, which that wording suggests hasn't happened yet.
We need to wait and have this conversation when it does get a new name.
Sergecross73
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18:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how "The remaining Intellivision Entertainment LLC will therefore rebrand to a different name" can be any more clear. And the Atari press release not only states that the company soon-to-be-formerly known as Intellivision Entertainment will rebrand, but also calls it the "Amico brand console" with no "Intellivision" in its name. I'd say the announcement is explicit that the console no longer bears the Intellivision branding. The idea that they would license back the name for use in the console (if it ever actually gets released) is not supported and pure speculation.
oknazevad (
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18:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- My concerns that that we have no idea what it will be named though. They might called it the "Super Amico" or the "AmicoCube" or maybe they'll drop it entirely and call it a "Atari Retrobox" or something. (Honestly, the word "Amico" probably has more negative connotations than Intellivision on a whole, which at least has a more positive back history.) We just don't know. We shouldn't make a call until we know more.
Sergecross73
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20:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would they call it "Atari Retrobox". Again, I think you misunderstand that Atari has not acquired the Amico business. That remains with the existing owners. Atari acquired the Intellivision name, not the Amico.
oknazevad (
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04:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the point, that we have no idea what it will be called, and no confirmation that just "Amico", is where it's headed. This proposal violates COMMONNAME and
WP:CRYSTAL, and there's simply to reason to be racing towards a rename like this.
Sergecross73
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12:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can concede to TOOSOON, though I will note that many console articles don't include the manufacturer in the title in the first place even when the branding does.
oknazevad (
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14:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Each console has different intersections with
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:NATDIS. Officially, the GameCube is "Nintendo GameCube", but we omit that per COMMONNAME and no need to disambiguate. On the flip side, officially,
Nintendo Switch is not official. It's simply "Switch". But that requires disambiguation, and Nintendo Switch is natural compared to Switch (console). This is another such case of natural disambiguation. --
ferret (
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14:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- My concern is that the natural disambiguation is no longer accurate. The company behind the Amico console is no longer called Intellivision as they sold off that trademark (but not the console) to Atari SA. Yes, this far it's been the name of the console and most references use it, but WP:NAMECHANGES comes into play, as the Intellivision name is no longer correct to use with the console. oknazevad ( talk) 14:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Each console has different intersections with
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:NATDIS. Officially, the GameCube is "Nintendo GameCube", but we omit that per COMMONNAME and no need to disambiguate. On the flip side, officially,
Nintendo Switch is not official. It's simply "Switch". But that requires disambiguation, and Nintendo Switch is natural compared to Switch (console). This is another such case of natural disambiguation. --
ferret (
talk)
14:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can concede to TOOSOON, though I will note that many console articles don't include the manufacturer in the title in the first place even when the branding does.
oknazevad (
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14:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think you're missing the point, that we have no idea what it will be called, and no confirmation that just "Amico", is where it's headed. This proposal violates COMMONNAME and
WP:CRYSTAL, and there's simply to reason to be racing towards a rename like this.
Sergecross73
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12:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would they call it "Atari Retrobox". Again, I think you misunderstand that Atari has not acquired the Amico business. That remains with the existing owners. Atari acquired the Intellivision name, not the Amico.
oknazevad (
talk)
04:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- My concerns that that we have no idea what it will be named though. They might called it the "Super Amico" or the "AmicoCube" or maybe they'll drop it entirely and call it a "Atari Retrobox" or something. (Honestly, the word "Amico" probably has more negative connotations than Intellivision on a whole, which at least has a more positive back history.) We just don't know. We shouldn't make a call until we know more.
Sergecross73
msg me
20:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how "The remaining Intellivision Entertainment LLC will therefore rebrand to a different name" can be any more clear. And the Atari press release not only states that the company soon-to-be-formerly known as Intellivision Entertainment will rebrand, but also calls it the "Amico brand console" with no "Intellivision" in its name. I'd say the announcement is explicit that the console no longer bears the Intellivision branding. The idea that they would license back the name for use in the console (if it ever actually gets released) is not supported and pure speculation.
oknazevad (
talk)
18:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Even your own source says that it "presumably no longer be called the Intellivision Amico". Right now, the
WP:COMMONNAME would still be "Intellivion Amico", and that's going to be unlikely to change while it doesn't have a new name, which that wording suggests hasn't happened yet.
We need to wait and have this conversation when it does get a new name.
Sergecross73
msg me
18:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Because
that's exactly what the news reports said. Did you misunderstand what was announced? The company behind the Amico sold the Intellivision name and historic library to Atari, but not the Amico itself. They no longer own the Intellivision name. Atari will use the name for products based on the library (as they have with other historic properties they've acquired), but Atari has nothing to do with the Amico.
oknazevad (
talk)
18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Obvious OPPOSED as essentially "too soon". WP:COMMONNAME hasn't even begun to shift, nor do we know what the final new name will be. Essentially all sourcing, outside of Atari press release, still refers to "Intellivision Amico". -- ferret ( talk) 19:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Opposed per my comments above. Sergecross73 msg me 20:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - It is far too soon to know how the console will be named after the Atari adquisition of the Intellivision brand. Roberth Martinez ( talk) 02:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per WP:TOOSOON. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 10:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support The consensus at this time is that this era of Intellivision is over. For Atari to allow such a direct association with the brand would further its depreciation.
217.227.234.80 (
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21:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- We make decisions based on Wikipedia policy, not what Atari's marketing team likes.
Sergecross73
msg me
21:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Atari's marketing team is irrelevant. Again, Atari did not buy this console.
oknazevad (
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14:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is true. The issue with your argument is not that it isn’t based on reality - it has be based within Wikipedia’s universe. In order to achieve the change it has be based on consensus and additionally proven using Wikipedia’s policies. Your effort will not my succeed otherwise. Example: your move request was not swatted down instantly because Wikipedia forbids it. 217.227.234.80 ( talk) 16:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Atari's marketing team is irrelevant. Again, Atari did not buy this console.
oknazevad (
talk)
14:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- We make decisions based on Wikipedia policy, not what Atari's marketing team likes.
Sergecross73
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21:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - The entire article details this subject under its development by Intellivision. If no more development or news about occurred from here forth, the article would be aptly named, therefore it is currently aptly named. WP:COMMONNAME, WP:TOOSOON, and WP:CRYSTAL are relevant. – Pbrks ( t· c) 14:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Pbrks is absolutely right. TarkusAB talk/ contrib 17:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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Intellivision Amico → Amico (video game platform) – Due to recent developments and announcements, the Intellivision brand is no longer officially attached to the project, the company has announced its name change to Amico Entertainment and now it is not limited to a console but a series of products such as (currently) a mobile app with in-app purchases, a mandatory companion app and the upcoming/proposed controller and console, this name should be the most appropriate now. MexTDT ( talk) 23:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - see section directly above. Nothing has changed since the last discussion. WP:NATDAB applies too. Sergecross73 msg me 23:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. See here. The company has outright said they are no longer using the Intellivision brand for the company or the platform. Things have indeed changed. The current name is outdated and factually incorrect. oknazevad ( talk) 04:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- That assumes work will continue on the project. If no substantial developments happen henceforth, then the current name is correct. TarkusAB talk/ contrib 20:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)