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As far as my knowledge goes, i am pretty sure the taliban do not control north wazirstan or swat and many of the other places put under taliban control in this map.Could someone more knowledgeable update it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DRMOOMOO420 ( talk • contribs) 07:04, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
The infobox for this page contains Pakistani allegations of Indian support for the Taliban. The content is very well-cited, but is not discussed further. Shouldn't such a grievous accusation be at the very least discussed in prose? — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 04:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
the citations used mostly are pakistani newspapers and hence biased — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pastbirth ( talk • contribs)
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The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) samee converse 20:26, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
War in North-West Pakistan →
Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa – "North-West Pakistan" is quite difficult to interpret accurately because of the country's geographic shape. There is also already an
Insurgency in Balochistan. Naming it "Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa" avoids both confusion between the two different conflicts and is also less biased in terms of different people's interpretations of "North-West", also making it more accurate. The new title would also be consistent with Insurgency in Balochistan and
Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir.
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First and foremost let’s be clear that this was an armed conflict between the Pakistani military and MANY terror groups. An insurgency is when one faction like the balochistan seperatist movement use guerrilla tactics to try and gain power. In north west Pakistan it was a WAR . Many terrorist forums were BASED in the region so it can’t even be an insurgency by defenition because multiple groups can’t all be a apart of one insurgency. I understand Pakistanis want to call this just a simple insurgency just like there are in safer countries like Egypt and Algeria but this was a war clear cut. Also the argument “north west is subjective “ is the most hilariously in thought about comment ever. The north west of Pakistan is the north west Pakistan on a map it isn’t subjective and nobody would confuse it for balochistan because balochistan is the south west no matter how you look at it if you split the region up. Most articles published by reputable websites also call this the WAR in north west Pakistan. Having the Wikipedia page say the insugrency in kpk will confuse people because if they read an article about the war in north west Pakistan they may not know what the insurgency in kpk even is and might think it’s a seperate issue like balochistan. DO NOT move this page again unless you can site a source which claims it is referred to as the insurgency in kpk . Also here are some sources that call it the war in north west https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/m09x7p1?categoryid=https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/topics/War_in_North-West_Pakistan_fiction/video Thewinnerz33 ( talk) 22:26, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
The Map presents the situation in 2016 as having been with the Taliban and Al Qaeda in complete control over FATA, with KPK being contested territory. This is quite simply incorrect. The Pakistani Taliban, even at their greatest strength, didn't hold control over entire districts, much less control the entirety of FATA whilst contesting another province. In addition to that, they were practically flushed out of FATA too by 2016 courtesy of Zarb e Azb so all in all, the Map is wrong. 39.33.254.226 ( talk) 03:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I can't generate maps so there's nothing I can do about that.
As for the current map, to begin with, KPK appears shaded as if it's contested territory. I have no idea why it appears that way and honestly, I don't know what source you want me to provide you with. It's like.. If something never happened, how do you disprove that it happened..? (with sources). There are no articles to “prove KPK isn't contested territory and it's firmly in government hands” cause that's a given fact lol. It's like being asked to provide a source that California isn't actually German territory.
As for FATA, there are plenty of articles
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2020/06/17/six-years-since-launch-of-zarb-e-azb/
What's really strange is that there are even Wikipedia articles which document Pakistan's victory in expelling terrorists from the districts of FATA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Zarb-e-Azb
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Khyber
103.78.135.231 ( talk) 17:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
User:NomanPK44 is clearly faking a sources since the first edit he made here. [2] The source was being used for saying that the insurgency is 'ongoing' and NomanPK44 falsely claimed victory by using the same source.
I further removed what is unrelated to this conflict [3] [4] which had no relation to this conflict and sources don't discuss Khyber Pakhtunkhwa or any related insurgency in these sources. 42.106.4.156 ( talk) 13:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
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I came here after seeing the discussion for the infobox on Talk:Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan and saw the exact same content/refs being reduplicated here. I saw no point of its inclusion here as consensus was not reached there for the exact same content. Contrary to what the recent edit claims, consensus when concerning the exact same topic is applicable as a whole, in the same edit summary it is spuriously claimed that sock "IPs/accounts" are trying to get rid of this content. This all the more ironic since it was a [sock] IP which added the content in the first place and has been trying to re-insert it ever since which is what I initially reverted back then and now. Gotitbro ( talk) 17:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Can you explain why another editor cannot restore content previously added by a sock? Can you also explain who you or anyone else is to reject those referenced edits without a proper reasoning? Oriental Aristocrat ( talk) 05:28, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Some research shows that Pakistani authorities on multiple levels have alleged India of supporting TTP and these allegations are widely covered in academic literature [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (who sometimes also note that India has strongly denied these allegations). I would support adding something like this to the list of supporters "India (alleged by Pakistan, denied by India)". VR talk 17:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Pakistani authorities on multiple levels have alleged India of supporting TTP" exactly answers your question. There is no need to include false accusations that have no basis at all, just like nobody included Pakistan's role (accused only by India) at 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest. Aman Kumar Goel ( Talk) 19:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". As I (and others) have showed, this is a significant view that has been published by many reliable sources. It doesn't matter if you think it is false (see WP:NOTTRUTH). VR talk 09:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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The Pakistani military and civilian leadership have repeatedly alleged that the Indian intelligence agency RAW has been funding and training TTP members using a network of Indian consulates in Afghanistan along the Pakistani border. According the Pakistani allegations, when the TTP emerged, Afghan and Indian intelligence were quick to seize the opportunity to infiltrate and utilize some of its elements, particularly Baitullah Mehsud's kin, against Pakistan and its armed forces...Bajwa['s spokesperson], said in the aftermath of the 2014 Peshawar School attack that, "India is funding Taliban in FATA and Balochistan. He said that a banned outfit cannot function on such a big scale unless foreign powers are funding it."
In an interview with me, Ishtiaq Ahmad (2015) of the University of Sargodha asserted that claims that India aids the TTP and the MQM—which engages in political violence in Karachi—were credible. The same year, then-Indian defence Manohar Parikar (2015) raised eyebrows when he told Hindi news channel Aaj Tak, "You have to neutralise terrorists through terrorists only," and then declined to provide further details in public, in response to a question about his administrations actions against cross-border terrorism."
Indian contribution in funding the TTP had been surreptitious but tangible. In August 2008, three arrested terrorists belonging to TTP's Qari Hussain, known as 'Ustad-e-Fedayeen' (mentor of sucicide bombers) (Dawn, 2009), revealed he received Rs 680 million from 'an enemey country' (India)...Ehsanullah Eshan, the former spokesperson of TTP, and key commander of TTP's breakaway faction, Jamaat-ul-Ahrar (JuA), who surrendered to the Pakistan Army in April 2017, divulged that India was providing financial and logistical support to the TTP (The Express Tribune, April 17, 2017)."
India is alleged [by Pakistani authorities] to have provided training, arms and funds to Baluchi rebels, as well as funds, arms, ammunition medical equipment and medicines to the TTP in the tribal areas. Both claims are strongly rejected by India.
On 26 July 2017 an off-shoot of the TTP, the Taliban Special Group (TSG), launched a deadly commando-style suicide attack in Lahore, Pakistan. Twenty-six were killed and 54 injured, including police. It is Pakistan's assertion that such attacks are supported by Indian RAW and NDS with finance and training...Senior PTT Commander Latif Mehsud...was working with them [Afghan government] and Indian operatives to target LeT...