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Good project
This seems like an interesting project, and I wouldn't mind helping in my spare time. I added some info to 0-9, changed the formatting and put game names in bold so that the Publisher name would be easier to tell apart from the game name, and changed the order a little (according to what I hear lists should have numbers in this order; 4 007 1987 20000). I hope you don't mind the changes, and in that case I am sorry, but this seems interesting. After a while though I think this should either be split into
List of MS-DOS games: 1984 with alfabetic sorting under there, or
List of MS-DOS games: F with sorting by year under that. If not this list will get very long. Anyhow, great idea.
Clq19:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Thanks very much for the help, it's much appreciated. I didn't quite realise how huge the list would become when I started. As far as splitting the list goes, it's probably a good idea. Of course, the ideal situation is that all the red links will become filled, and the list will become redundant (everything will be in
Category:DOS_games). As it is, categories only contain articles that actually exist, so the list is a good way of seeing what actually exists and what doesn't. Sorry, this has turned into more of a ramble than a constructive comment. --
Lucian Gregory21:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)reply
The next days I will probably be mostly busy with real life stuff, in fact I will probably be busy most of this week, but what would be the best way.. One could probably just continue putting on the main page one letter at the time, and in some free time just move them over to pages for each year. I suggest using the
List of MS-DOS games: 1984 format, as that seems to be used in quite some of the other lists. Perhaps tomorrow morning I could sort 0-9 into year page for example. It might be better to actually finish off with the info on the main page, and move when everything in a letter is fully done. And perhaps if one gets tired of inputing info/moving one could create a stub for a random red game ;P. This is obviously quite a long term project (was it 4000 games or so?), so if you can think of another good way of orgenizing, that would of course be nice also.
Clq21:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I think for the time being, we should continue to input info into the main page, as having everything in one list makes it easier to quickly check whether or not a game is already listed. Definitely a long term project - even just listing the majority of games will take a long time - and I've been breaking up the monotony of listing by occasionally editing an existent article (I'm new, and don't feel entirely confident about creating articles yet).
As for organization, sorting into the
List of MS-DOS games: 1984 format seems to me to be the best way. Sorting by letter would still result in fairly huge lists, and sorting by genre is tricky (and inevitably controversial). Anyway, I'll see if I can get everything up to the end of C in tonight. --
Lucian Gregory23:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Really cool project but it looks like you have your work cut out for you :). I'll try to help out when possible.
rCX (
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03:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I have removed 9:05 from the list, as it is not specific to any system; rather, it will run on any system for which there is a Z-Code interpreter (for example, it could be run on a Dreamcast using FrotzDC). I would suggest that games written using
Hugo,
TADS,
Inform,
AGT, Alan or
Glulx should not be added to the list.
This site might be the best source for PC / DOS specific interactive fiction, although many of the games in that list were created using one of the aforementioned utilities. --
Lucian Gregory23:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Apologies
Apologies for starting this project and then apparently abandoning it halfway through. PC / connection troubles have kept me busy for quite some time now. Things should be back to normal now, so expect to see a bit more progress. A very tentative hope is to at least have all the games listed by the end of next week.
On that note, I notice the page is getting rather long. Any suggestions on the best way to split it? I'm thinking something like "
List of MS-DOS games (A)", with a navbar on each page.
Length is really not much of an issue for a page like this, in my opinion. Splitting it up would just make it harder to update all at once. Ideally this is a temporary page, as eventually the goal would be to create articles for every notable game and organize them in categories by release date. Until then, it's a work in progress (like most lists). ---
RockMFR07:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Regarding the pages for the DOS games themselves
I think under "external links" for the pages for the DOS games themselves, there should be a site in which the game can be downloaded if it is legal and possible to do so. If it isn't, and there's a legal demo (or shareware) version, then that should be included. But only when it's legal :P
Oh, yes. It would be nice. It would be nice if every game came out with neatly assigned, industry-agreed-on
genres. And, admittedly, most games aim for a particular genre. But not all. Games have been known to cross genre lines, incorporating multiple genres into a single game. Heck, games have been known to *introduce* new genres, often unwittingly. (One game may introduce a few new concepts to an existing genre, and a whole new genre is built off of the new concepts)
The point: Defining genre is not as clear-cut as one would like. And, often, finding resources that accurately reflect the true genre of the game is even more difficult -- especially for games that came out before sites like gamefaqs and allgame were established.
The article is greater than 181 KB and the page is very slow to load, not to mention to edit or clean-up. Need help from expert editor spliters!--
Funandtrvl (
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21:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Rule of thumb is about 30 KB per page. So, you've got about 6 times that already. It's difficult to estimate the splits because a) much of the table is not filled in, throwing off the size of the current table, and b) I suspect that this is list is nowhere near complete -- splits performed off an incomplete list may need adjustment as the list fills out in the future.
That said, the following looks like a relatively fair split, assuming all parts of the list are equally incomplete:
I just checked the length of "0 - B", and it would be over 38 KB. I'm going to say "better safe than sorry" and probably try to plan it to be be split by individual letter, barring a couple groups of letters being smaller than 30 KB even combined. Unless someone has better plans, since it's been over six months.
inclusivedisjunction (
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12:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Is this a list of MS-DOS games or what? There shouldn't be any Windows 95-only games listed, unless there's both a DOS and Windows version of the game. I think I also noticed several
shareware games on the list, (VGA Miner etc.) this list should contain
commercial software only. --
Ϫ07:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Well there should definately be a separate list for shareware games list only... as big and unmanageable that list would be.. good luck.. -
Ϫ02:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Ok, I'm busy ATM but will take a look at this in a few days. I'll see if there's some automatic way to generate a first draft - I'd rather not type out thousands of entries by hand if that can be avoided.
2fort5r (
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21:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)reply
That's a good question.. technically no they're not DOS games, yet I would still include them in the list, as they were for the IBM-PC and all IBM-PC's ran DOS back then, and also I think most of them ran their own variants of DOS-like OS's on the floppy. But it would also be a good idea to start a separate list of just
PC booter games.. as there is a limited number of them so the list has a chance of being complete. And in fact, I just so happen to already have a list of quite a few of the old PC booters (I used to collect them). --
Ϫ01:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Moby has a list of them
here. I've come across several while cleaning up this list and have treated them as regular DOS games, though they should probably be removed unless they were also released in regular DOS format (bootleg hack conversions should not count). Or possibly leave them in but add a footnote identifying them as booters.
2fort5r (
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13:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Agreed, to avoid duplicating information I would remove them unless there was an official DOS release and not just a fanmade hack. However it would not be easy to determine and verify just how many of the booters were 'officially' ported to DOS, as most sources would list these old IBM-PC games as DOS anyway.. the
Beyond Castle Wolfenstein article for example mentions that it was ported to DOS however it's unclear whether this means it was a PC booter or straight DOS.. so maybe a footnote would be a good idea in some cases.
Oh and I think the list is great.. once I get back to my other computer I'll compare it with my list and see if there's anything I can add, I'll also look into possibly converting it into a table format and add additional details such as year, genre, publisher/developer. --
Ϫ21:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Actually I do! I have a complete database of almost every DOS game from 1981-1994 with all details included.. It's in the old
dBase III format, which I can easily export into a plaintext list. But it's backed up on my old HD that's stashed away at my other place.. doh! It may take me some time before I can get to it but I promise I will eventually. --
Ϫ05:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Reverting an action that was done without discussion
Sub-articles
Index of MS-DOS games (A–M) and
Index of MS-DOS games (N–Z) were created without any discussion regarding merging the already existing 27 articles into these two articles. However, per the section above, "Article needs to be split" the consensus was to split all of the titles into 27 separate articles due to the recommended size limit of list articles. However, a user seemed to have completely disregarded this conclusion and did something
bold, and actually, in the process, created more work for editors to do. So now, I'm working on something in my
sandbox regarding this (to basically revert the error that has been done.)
Steel1943 (
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00:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)reply