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A fact from In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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ALT2: ... that the song "Lamb's Wool" from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which is about
Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was able to be played for him prior to his death? Source:
Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
ALT3: ... that a song from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which was written in response to
Foster the People singer
Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was finished and played for him before his death? Source:
Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
Comment: I'm not completely sure whether or not you are allowed to include two sources for one hook. I added a second hook with only the key information and one source just in case.
Interesting article about an EP (I had to look up what that is) with a title that attracted me, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I was a bit disappointed never to have the title explained, nor the interesting cover art. - Of the hooks, I prefer ALT2 as more emotional, so will discuss that. The EP title is long, - do we really need the song title also, vs. simply "a song"? Do you expect people to know who Mark Foster is, or might we add "lead singer" or band member, perhaps with a piped link to the band? Having read the article, I know now that only the text was inspired by the cancer diagnosis, and "which is about" may be a bit to colloquial, no? How about "written in response to". "was able to be played for him" sounds needlessly complicated. So please reword ALT2 and I'll check again. --
Gerda Arendt (
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15:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you. I like it better! I'm not yet happy with the double possessive. It may be a silly question: Do you think the name of the band matters, I mean makes it more interesting? If not, could we shorten it to
sorry about my leftover for uncle ;) - the reason why I used "one" was that I tried to clarify that not the whole album was written in response - perhaps you have a better idea - English is not my first language. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
22:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think that saying "a song" makes it clear enough that it's only referring to a single song (that being "Lamb's Wool"). It's also a little shorter than "one song", so I think that it will work.
I'm doing a check for inline citations, and the article looks excellent so far! Also, there is clearly no edit warring so I'll check that off. I did a copy vio check and there are no copyright violations detected- so I'll check that off too. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead)16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry I've taken so long to keep you updated. I have been busy. I'll try to review this ASAP. I must say, it is well-written. The tone is neutral, the sections are adequate length and keep on-topic. It's overall an interesting read! I don't think I knew anything about FtP except for "
Pumped Up Kicks", so it's cool to hear about their writing process and inspiration. Anyways, time to do that source spot-check I said I'd do. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead)23:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Sourcing: sources from the band are ok, per
WP:SELFSOURCE, (see also
WP:PRIMARY), so long as the article is not mostly based on these sources. 8/30 references are from insta/facebook/reddit, which is hardly "mostly", but you still need to be careful. On top of that, there are 2 YouTube videos cited. Not that this is a problem, I just need to double check on what the other sources say and if they are reliable too. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead)23:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SupremeLordBagel Apologies for the wait, I have been very busy and I hope this is of no inconvenience to you. I would like to say: the article looks excelent to me, but I am unsure whether it qualifies as a good article per the criteria. I am going to request a second opinion for feedback. Again, apologies for the wait and we'll see where this goes. – The Sharpest Lives (
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21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
(this is my first time delivering a second opinion so I apologize if anything is weird). Since the original reviewer hasn't given a specific issue to check for, I'll look over the article and give any comments I have.
Background and development
I would try to paraphrase more in the first paragraph; I can give specific pointers if you would like
The Daily Californian should be italicized in the Music ratings template Done
Lead and infobox
The release sentence should be moved to right after the first sentence. Done
Assuming that at least a few sources in the body use the abbreviation, citations aren't required for In the Darkest of Nights. If no secondary source uses it, I would remove it Done
This lead should be expanded; there's no content about the title/artwork or critical reception, despite both having sections in the body
The lead says that multiple songs revolve around Foster and his wife, but the body only mentions one such track Done
"It produced three singles" is maybe a bit inaccurate since they were are released before the EP. Maybe "it was promoted with three singles" is better? Done
Mark Pontius should be mentioned in the body Done
This is a very surface-level opinion, but if all is fixed I think the reviewer should be able to make a decision on the article. I would like to ask, though, was a spotcheck performed? If not, I would advise doing so; just checking around three sources per section is usually enough for GA.
IanTEB (
talk)
10:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello
IanTEB and
SupremeLordBagel - I was initially going to post here to take on the source review, but at a cursory glance I see a problem with the sourcing in that many of them are sourced from social media pages. While this is technically in line with
WP:SOCIALMEDIA, I do question whether or not having 20% of the sources be from Instagram or Twitter is acceptable. I would advise that Bagel search for some sort of secondary source for a few of these if they are able to find any. Additionally, BroadwayWorld is considered generally unreliable per
WP:RS/P; I understand that this is not used for an
exceptional claim, though I would be cautious with using this source in the future. I'd also be cautious about using school newspapers for reviews/some claims - the article uses the Palatinate, and while I can't imagine that a quoted opinion could be seen as contentious, I would personally stay away from such publications in these cases, as nearly any student, regardless of experience, can join them, and they generally lack the sophisticated editorial oversight than established organizations have (this is just from personal experience - I know my university had students as editors. There has not been much visible discussion on using school newspapers as sources on WP, though
this discussion includes the comment "School newspapers are reliable sources for facts, but not for notability").
A spot check on [2], [6], [7], [10], [15], [23], [24], and [28] comes up fine. Not sure of the credibility of Music Talkers, though - it seems that it's just the pet project of some guy, and
its staff list notably has no editors listed, just "news writers" who have seemingly only written for that website aside from one writer who's written for Earmilk.
joeyquism (
talk)
23:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply