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This article is INCREDIBLY overlong and contains a lot of spurious information. I think it needs pruning and cleanup. -- Agamemnon2 12:40, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this article over the past few hours, and here's what i think needs to be done to tidy it up.
Do this, and the place should look a lot tidier. Any suggestions/comments? Saberwyn 21:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
It is now possible to get mordian iron guard models from GW (although they are ridiculously overpriced) Eralam ( talk) 13:24, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
This article is insipid, spelling out every single unit entry in the Imperial Guard Codex in a way that is not at all helpful to anyone not already familiar with the subject matter (to them, it is merely pointless). There is no real information being passed here, too little is done to elucidate the reader on what the Imperial Guard are, how they wage war, how they fit in the WH40k backstory, the current model range, etc. -- Agamemnon2 15:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I've had a crack at rewriting the article, simply by cutting out all the crap, reorganising the rest, and adding some bits from the "Why Collect An Imperial Guard Army?" section of Codex: Imperial Guard. Have a look and a play with it. Saberwyn - 03:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
The result of the debate was move. — Nightst a llion (?) 10:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Imperial Guard (Warhammer 40,000 army) → Imperial Guard (Warhammer 40,000) – Consistency with other Warhammer 40,000 army pages
Personally I think the novels section requires a little tidying. At the moment we have a long list of book that "feature" the Imperial Guard. I think that it should be split up into novels that are specifically about the Imperial Guard e.g Gaunt's Ghosts and books that simply feature them at some point e.g. the Einsenhorn Trilogy. -- Nayl 18:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I have:
--Nothing offical will be done with the guidelines (moved or put to use) until several Wikipedians involved in the Warhammer 40,000 project have verified it.-- Colonel Marksman's Proposed Guidelines
Colonel Marksman 20:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this is a good idea, maybe getting round to notable in fluff regiments and forces having their own pages as someone on this page clearly has a problem with my adding them here Eralam ( talk) 07:22, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to add that I changed the 'men only' part of the IG summary to include women as well as changing 'fighting men' to 'fighting soldiers'. It is well documented in the Gaunt's Ghost series that women fight in the IG too. I also cite for proof page 27 of the Tyranid codex "Every able-bodied man and woman on every world in Ultima Segmentum, Segmentum Pacificus and Segmentum Solar will need to be drafted into the Imperial Guard if we are to have any chance of repelling this foe"
I'm slightly modifying the section on ranks, replacing Brigadier General with Brigadier (the rank is only used once to my knowledge in recent publications, in the Gaunt's Ghost books, and the British form is used). I'm also adding a bit on NCOs-- Darth Fanboy 21:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd also like to say something about the ranks.In the novel, Fifteen Hours, larn states that he is "Trooper First Class Larn, Arvin, Number-81576-389-472-1", wouldn't this imply that there is a "Private First Class" rank?I think i'll add that. Centurion Ry 16:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't actually think of any usage of the rank of private, trooper being used instead at least in the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer and throughout the Guants series, and also in the Codex and White Dwarf from what I can recall. The only thing that your reference would seem to indicate is the existance of at least two grades of Trooper.-- Darth Fanboy 19:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Can I make the suggestion that lists of ranks are revised to match that given in the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer. Include ranks mentioned in books or short stories would not necesseraily apply across the whole of the Guard because of the nature of the organisation. Indeed, the list from the Primer would not extend across the entirity of the Guard but it is the only Guard rank structure I am aware of. I believe some of the ranks shown, primarily the highest of the commisioned ranks such as Lord Marshal and Lord Castellan, are positions within a Sector rather than actual rank.
Ive made a minor change which is to say that there are two examples of the rank of Colonel- Commissar, as Gaunt's forerunner and mentor Delane Oktar also held that rank. Lemming42 ( talk) 11:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
...what on earth? I'm pretty certain this should be removed. Xzamuel 14:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
VANDALISM? Wow. Sorry. - The writer of that peice, who shall remain safely anonymous
But how the hell was it vandalism?
Removing it was way to far. It is somthing that is implied in the Codexs. that is why i added the ref tag. -- Mcgrath50 06:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
It's unsourced speculation, that's what it is. It has no place in an encyclopedia. -- Agamemnon2 06:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
This seems a fair comprimise-- Mcgrath50 04:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
They don't 'ave morale az gud as ours!-- Warbozz of Orks ( talk) 12:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
A question. For defending millions of worlds you need a bit more than a few billions of troops. As far as I know the Imperial Guard counts 5 billion soldiers. How is it possiible to defend such a large number of planets with a "handfull" of soldiers ?? Theoreticaly every single planet needs a large imperial guard garrison. I think, trillions of soldiers would be realistic because like the story tells, soldiers beeing recruited on every single world —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.196.94.72 ( talk) 08:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
That is a fair point. However, bare in mind that there are also PDF (planetary defence forces) to defend planets, and they are the first line of defence. Every planet raises them, and no exact number has been given for them, so there could be trillions. The guard are only called in if a problem arises that is too big for the PDFs to cope for. If a problem is too big for local guard forces, more will be called in from further afield. Lemming42 ( talk) 15:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
IMHO, while amusing, these don't belong here as they are original research. Shrumster 10:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is a mess! It not only lacks insurmountable loads of information and sources, but is giving individual units their own page!
I don't think the individual units need to be having their own articles, ESPECIALLY if those articles are as small as they are. Colonel Marksman 00:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I beg to differ, colonel. In fact, I think this article is pretty damn good. It contains more information than some people may wish to read, but that's why we have headings, so that people can see what the paragraph is about, and choose to skip it. The point of an Encyclopedia as a whole is to present as many facts as required to give information on a subject. The only thing I would support cutting down is the "Imperial Guard Organisation" section. I think it's a good section, but way too big, (900 words- a short essay.) I think just keep the list of non-comm ranks and comm ranks, and then cut some of the paragraphs.
Finally; this article presented me with the information I needed to make decisions about the Imperial Guard, its units, its structure and its history. It gave me more information than you get from many articles on real life army units, such as the Household Division. -- The Bryce ( talk) 07:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree, this article provides a lot of info and is easy to navigate from the top bar so I don't really see what the problem is. Project WH40K aims to be COMPREHENSIVE right? Then let it be so, as long as the necessary links are added at page top and formatting is kept to! -- Eralam ( talk) 18:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Who has deleted the page of coronel-comissar gaunt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.60.193.58 ( talk) 09:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
"A full guard platoon can boast up to 55 models, not counting independent characters, per troops choice" is an understatment, the platoon can take far more than 55 models, they can take 50 conscripts for one squad, the number is 132 in 5th edition guard, this is backed by Army Builder and the Codex. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreg102 ( talk • contribs) 15:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
The text before that states "not counting IC" so 132 is accurate. Dreg102 ( talk) 19:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
It depends on what you mean 'per platoon' strictly things within the platoon, or stuff that can be attached to its squads (e.g chimeras and commisars) That's what needs cleaning up here before a definite number can be established as of 7th Edition. -- Eralam ( talk) 18:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I would like to create a new subsection which describe the myriad cultures found within the Guard, eg, Mordian Iron Guard, Tallarn Desert Raiders, D-99 etc. Also what would people think about adding information on the guard's predecessors to this page (most notably the Solar Auxilia) or are they worthy of their own pages. I would ask the same with regards to the Militarum Tempestus -- Eralam ( talk) 18:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
a subsection on the hobby-aspect with maybe a small gallery (3 or 4) of the more obviously-different regiments would go down okay. Just resist the temptation to put tooo much info in there. Its not really encyclopedic to have the entire background of the Iron Guard, Cadians etc Only in death does duty end ( talk) 18:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Whyever shouldn't we put all the details in? The very term you used, 'encyclopedic' means: (as quoted from google) Comprehensive in terms of knowledge. So no disrespect, but surely it is more encyclopedic to add everything we know? If wikipedia is truly an enclyclopedia I see no reason in principle why all the information at our disposal shouldn't be put down on this article. If formatting is the problem then let me state here and now I am willing to create sub-articles if people think the article is becoming a 'cluster****' (seriously, is the f-word needed there?!) -- Eralam ( talk) 18:23, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
So I've decided to put some basic bits in without causing the article to overflow, if there is calling for me to put more details in I will do so, but it might be a good idea to do this under separate articles, for space and ease of navigation, and then just link them all to make sure none become orphaned. -- Eralam ( talk) 13:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
So someone has put up two tags against my work here. (though they have decided to remain anonymous)I would ask whoever did this and all others interested as to whether they would like it transplanted into separate articles, which I'm more than happy to do. Eralam ( talk) 07:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Okay, so if detail may cause unbalanced weight here, if there are any admins about, would a spinoff article on the individual regiments be acceptable? Eralam ( talk) 11:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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