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Just two cents worth here to observe that this is yet another in the long list of pages where anyone who criticises Israeli policy - especially from an Israeli or Jewish perspective - suddenly, thanks to the efforts of some editors here, ends up with a Wikipedia page that has about three lines on who they are and what they do, and then about ten times as much in a "Criticisms" section largely devoted to random quotes from often random political opponents about why they don't like them. See also, until recently, Gideon Levy. Noam Chomsky of course has the privilege of having a whole "criticisms" page devoted to him. Oddly, this doesn't seem to be such a problem for pro-Israeli activists and writers like Alan Dershowitz. -- Nickhh ( talk) 13:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Protecting admin, if you take a look at the end of the "criticism" section, the sentence beginning "Pappé says Karsh..." ought to be outside of the block-quote by Karsh.-- G-Dett ( talk) 22:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
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I have removed comments about Morris by Pappé which make a number of very serious allegations. WP:BLP is quite clear about this:
Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, [1] talk pages, user pages, and project space.
"ElectronicIntifada" is in no way a reliable source, particularly for material that the New Republic refused to publish. The removal of this information is an admin action. Don't restore unless you have a better sources and a strong consensus for it remaining in the article. Jayjg (talk) 05:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
It is ridiculous for editors to decide which venue is or is not reliable for someone to voice his opinions. There is a difference between discussing the difference between the reliability of reporting on Electronic Intifada, and the issue that whether or not Ilan Pappe actually wrote the Ben Morris response on Electronic Intifada. If you have any doubts whether Ilan Pappe actually wrote that article, all you need to do to verify it is contact Ilan Pappe himself, who will most definitely confirm that he both wrote the article on Electronic Intifada and that the contents of the article are exactly as he wrote and are unchanged. Jayjg was clearly expressing abuse of his privileges by threatening counter edits and failing to understand the fundamental difference between reporting reliability and blatant forgery. If anyone has any evidence of any complaints made by Ilan Pappe contesting the fact that the article posted on Electronic Intifada is not his article, then they should post such evidence here. Furthermore, Electronic Intifada had no history whatsoever of posting articles under false names in the past which would cast doubt as to whether or not this article was written by Ilan Pappe. Therefore, the counter claims made by Ilan Pappe against Ben Morris should remain to keep the NPOV. ( Medfreak ( talk) 14:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC))
I wanted to update the link to Ilan's website, which used to be www.ilanpappe.org and is now www.ilanpappe.com, but I am prevented from doing so. Why is this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordofrevision ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I once removed the link because it tells us about Mr Frantzman's grandfather, and just notes the said Frantzman works for a Tucson newspaper and is a Republican supporter of GWB. There is nothingb substantial about Frantzman's record as an informed student of Middle Eastern history. By linking in this fashion, the reader is told where Frantzman is coming from, and the question also arises, 'Is quoting him worth the candle'?, given serious and informed critics of Pappé abound without scraping the (gun-)barrel. I won't touch the text unless some consensus on this, and indeed personally find such material innocuous in its naivity, and self-defeating. But is the link adequate? Nishidani ( talk) 18:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
will find here things they may want to quote: [1] - what I found intersting is that Pappe admit that he wanted to have a boycoot on israel similar to that of south africa. This have always been the dream of those who calim "israeli apartheid". Zeq ( talk) 11:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, recently, Pappe gave an Interview to the National_Zeitung, one of Germany's largest newspapers of the far-right/neonazi-wing.
http://www.dsz-verlag.de/Artikel_08/NZ13_4.html
Maybe it's interesting, that Pappe's views are compatible to those of neonazi anti-zionists.
best regards, 92.78.10.38 ( talk) 21:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
yes, I know his statement, but though, it is interesting that his views are compatible with those of German Neonazis, who are normally not known for their love for jews. I think, the point is not that Pappe did not know which kind of newspaper it was, but the fact, that he and the neonazis from the National-Zeitung share the same views on Israel.
best regards, 92.78.10.38 ( talk) 22:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Forgot this: maybe the interview should be mentioned as well as Pappe's statement? br 92.78.10.38 ( talk) 22:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
One last note on Pappe's statement: he states that the interview "was copied" - but infact, he spoke himself with the interviewer from the "National-Zeitung". 92.78.10.38 ( talk) 22:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC) What did he say, or is it just the slur you want to concentrate on??
And why does Gilabrand always want to vandalise the article??
And why does she want de:Ilan Pappe changed to Pappé with circumflex is she after damaging the link? Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 21:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
you asked, what Pappe was saying in his interview with the Neo-Nazis from the National-Zeitung. It's mainly:
- His newest book was reviewed badly because the "elite" in Germany is "influenced by pro-Israel-Historicans"
- the foundation of Israel was the ultimate crime
- the "regime which oppresses all of palestine" must be abolished, because "Israel is not part of the civilized world"
All in all, it's not too hard to guess why German Neo-Nazis appreciate Ilan Pappe's views.
best regards,
88.74.152.4 ( talk) 23:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
The article has for a long time stated "Pappé is considered one of Israel's "New Historians," who reject the Israeli narrative and hold controversial views of Israeli history and Zionism." For some reason, over the past couple of days Ashley kennedy3 has replaced this, three times so far, with the grammatically incorrect "Pappé is considered one of Israel's "New Historians," who reject the Israeli narrative and holds controversial views of Israeli history and Zionism". He has explained this with the edit summary "Hold view, Holds views plural". This is clearly nonsense. We don't say "he hold an apple", "they holds apples". The verb agrees in number with the subject of the sentence (in this case, "New Historians"), not with the object ("views"). So whether the sentence referred to "views" or "a view" which was held, the correct verb form would still be "hold". Please the correct grammar alone, and focus on the content of the article. RolandR ( talk) 15:36, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I support Gilabrand's edit, because Benny Morris was a New Historian but changed ideas, hence the questioning of a phrasing that makes out all New Historians are 'controversial'. But the big problem here, as in so many other texts, is the universal (per wiki) 'controversial' applied as a loaded euphemism for 'anti-Zionist'. Any historian, writer, professor or thinker who is to be construed as saying anything not in line with an ostensible Zionist perspective or Israeli consensus on the past is called 'controversial'. It is the epithet of preferred choice by editors to mark out a critic of Israel. But within the fields in which all these critics work, most historians challenge each other incessantly, Efraim Karsh is as 'controversial' as Benny Morris. The 'controversial' (read anti-Zionist narrative) scholars think that many of the pro-Zionist scholars in their midst entertain views that they controvert, and therefore they too are 'controversial'. The epithet should be chucked out. It's as useless as tits on a tadpole. Nishidani ( talk) 17:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Pappé is considered one of Israel's "New Historians," who rejects the Israeli narrative and holds controversial views of Israeli history and Zionism.
Pappé rejects but not all "new historians" do. Had the "new historians" formed a club then yes, however the "new historians " have only been dubbed with that epitaph by the "old retiring historians". Benny Morris has not rejected the Zionist view at all, if anything he takes it to a whole new level as in, War crimes "800 dead.....peanuts". Tom Segev could hardly be counted as an anti-Zionist. each of the "new historians" have their own POV on the "official" line but do they all reject the "Israeli narrative"....No, how can they. They are Israeli. Sorry but the sentence is only applicable to one of the "new historians" and that is Pappé... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 20:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
As it is factually incorrect to say that all "new historian" reject the "Israeli narrative" may I suggest taking the reference to "new historians" out as "new historians" are referenced further in the article. Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 20:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Then I suggest you define who "they" are before trying to put words in their mouths and backing it up with references of where they can be quoted from in their rejection of the "Israeli narrative", because all you're doing at the moment is putting in POV. The term was given by others and not one that Ilan Pappe, Tom Segev, Benny Morris, Simha Flapan or Avi Shlaim joined a club to get. How big is this club does Anita Shapira fit or Gershon Shafir? How about Meron Benvenisti. Do they all reject the "Israeli narrative", if so please define "Israeli narrative". So far neither the extent of the group that you are tying the sentence to no "Israeli narrative" has been defined. At the moment you are implying that Israeli documents are rejecting the "Israeli narrative". If Anita Shapira or Gershon Shafir decide that they may be described as "New Historians but they have not rejected/challenge the "Israeli narrative" are you going to pay the libel bill?... Ashley kennedy3 ( talk) 22:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
"He ignores context and draws far broader conclusions than evicence allows by cherry-picking some reports and ignoring other sources entirely."
Corrected evicence to evidence. ( Medfreak ( talk) 13:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC))
Do sources outside Israel describe him as far-left?
Also, if you want to include the massacre issue in the lead, the sentence has to be worded neutrally, and must be accurate. SlimVirgin talk| contribs 19:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The Washington Post says it all: "Ilan Pappe's ideological journey has taken him to the far shore of Israel's political gulf and nearly complete isolation." And this was even before the Katz scandal. Come to think about it, the Washington Post's description might better describe an "extreme left wing" then a "far left wing". -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 20:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Use of poorly defined judgemental phrases like "far left" should be limited to opinions of named persons. Such a classification can never be an objective fact because there is no agreement on what it means. It can only ever be an opinion; we should say whose opinion. Zero talk 04:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I've posted a question on the RS noticeboard about whether Ilan Pappe counts as a reliable source for Wikipedia within the terms of the sourcing policy. Any input would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Is_Ilan_Pappe_a_reliable_source.3F. Cheers, SlimVirgin talk| contribs 20:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
to his labels. It is informative, and there is plenty of evidence that he is thus referred, even on his own site ilanpappe.com . I put up some three sources, but there are plenty more. I believe that this label gives more information to the reader, and can't see anything wrong with it. Anyway, I put it up and letting people know here. Stellarkid ( talk) 03:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I can't find a source for this - lots of pages claiming it, but no actual source. Maybe Israel's electoral office? -- Danny Yee 01:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
"Formerly a senior member of the Hadash, [2] [3] Pappé ran, in 1999, for one of the three seats of the Hadash in the Knesset election, finishing 7th. [4]
RolandR you state that the above sentence is "Untrue, unsourced and very badly written", reverting it without further explanation. I currently fail to see your argument. Our haaretz citation says that Pappe is a senior member of Hadash (בשבוע שעבר הודיע ד"ר אילן פפה, גם הוא חבר הנהלת חד"ש, כי לא יתמודד בבחירות הפנימיות). The Knesset source says he finished 7th in the 1999 elections for Hadash (which we know had three seats up for grabs). And pending further explanation, your opinions on prose style remain subjective. Feel free to re-write it, but again which part of the sentence is unsupported? Thankyou. Avaya1 ( talk) 23:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Avaya1 is repeatedly adding a badly written, inaccurate and unsourced statement regarding Pappé's involvement in the 1996 Knesset election. I rephrased this, using sourced and accurate information, but this too has been reverted.
Pappé was a candidate on the Hadash slate in 1996 [6] and 1999, in eighth and seventh place respectively. Standing on this slate, in a clearly unrealistic position, does not make him a "politician" -- it is a gesture of support for a political party by a public figure. This does not make him a "senior member of the Communist party leadership",. He did not "run for one of the three seats of Hadash in the Knesset, finishing seventh" -- he was number seven on the Hadash list of 120 for the 120 seats in the Knesset, when the party won three seats.
The information is sourced to "Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, August 1999, pages 99 to 103", with no url given, even though the the WMEA archives all of its material -- suggesting that this is at best second-hand research. The page cited can be found at [7]. This does not contain any of the facts alleged in the article; it is a page of letters to the editor, with one letter from a reader correcting a previous, apparently incorrect, WMEA article on the election. This letter, which actually contradicts some of the "facts" which Avaya1 has tried to insert into the article, cannot really be accepted as a reliable source.
I have now reverted this three times today, and I have tried to introduce a briefer, more accurate, properly sourced and better written statement. I hope other editors can also take this up, and help control the spread of inaccuracies and misinformation. RolandR ( talk) 23:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I have now located a page [8] on the Israeli Democracy Institute site (Hebrew only) which links to the complete electoral lists of all parties in all Knesset elections. This confirms that Pappé was indeed in eighth place in 1996 and seventh in 1999. This is a very useful resource, which should prevent any dispute about the facts (though not, of course, about their interpretation) in the future. RolandR ( talk) 17:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
RolandR reverted one of my edits [9] under the criticism section:
Pappe's works have been criticized as "anti-Israel," that his "career has been devoted almost exclusively to turning out articles and books that demonize Israel and Zionism," and that he "openly calls for Israel’s annihilation." [5] Meyrav Wurmser agrees, saying "For ...Pappe, it seems, all means are justified in the struggle to defame Zionism and Israel." [6]
on the grounds that "These are propagandists, not reliable sources for criticism." I beg to differ. These are RS: Wurmser is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, has a doctorate from George Washington University and has taught at Johns Hopkins and the US Naval Academy and other prestigious institutions. She is also a cofounder of MEMRI.
Plaut is on the faculty at University of Haifa (same as where Pappe taught) has a doctorate Princeton. His writings have been published in The Jewish Press, Front Page Magazine and he is on the board at the Middle East Quarterly and others. He has authored a book and has taught at Oberlin College, the Technion, UC Berkeley, UC Irvine, Central European University, Tel Aviv University and other places. These may not be historiographers like Pappe, but they are qualified to discuss and critique his work. Stellarkid ( talk) 17:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the link to Pappe's official website since the page that is there now is quite clear not - it's a page of ads. Does anyone know if there ever was an official site at this link? If so, where is it hosted now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.161.29 ( talk) 10:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Why is his name spelled here Pappé when his published works give it as Pappe, with no accent? Is it a French name? If his family were German Jews that seems unlikely. Or is it an attempt to render a Hebrew name phonetically? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 12:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
In several articles [10], [11] [12], (which I have just removed ) claim that Pappe write the following on p. 23: David Ben-Gurion wrote the following: “The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war.”
This is not correct. In his book, Pappe writes, p.23:
David Ben-Gurion himself, writing to his son in 1937, appeared convinced that this was the only course open to ZIonism: 'The Arabs will have to go', but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war.
Note that Pappe only quotes the first 6 words as a direct quote, while the above articles makes it out that the whole sentence is a quote. As for the rest: "but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war," this is in agreement with what how others have described Ben-Gurions opinions at the time, (see eg Morris, 2004, p. 46-48; this was after the Peel Commission first put the concept of forcible transfer on the table.) Cheers, Huldra ( talk) 14:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The below was not liked. If someone wants to chop this down and add it, be my guest. ~ Iloveandrea ( talk) 18:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
In 2012, the Journal of Palestine Studies was forced to translate and publish a 1937 letter of David Ben-Gurion after the pressure group CAMERA reported an error made in a journal article written by Pappé. [7] In his article, Pappé had written, "Ben-Gurion, for example, wrote in a letter to his son in 1937, 'The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war"', citing pages 167–68 of David Smith's 2004 Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict. [8] After checking Smith's book for the quote, CAMERA noticed that there had been an error in citation, and wrote to JPS saying so: "the quote attributed to Ben-Gurion does not appear in the citation provided." The JPS verified this, but in doing so highlighted something that CAMERA had not:
In checking the passage as printed in JPS against the corresponding passage in Pappé's hardcover edition, however, we discovered a yet more serious error in the JPS text, notably in the phrase highlighted below. Although CAMERA in its website posting of 4 November 2011("Ilan Pappé, Check Your Sources") presents the Ben-Gurion quotes in both versions as being the same, in fact a misplaced quotation mark had significantly changed the meanings.
Ben-Gurion himself, writing to his son in 1937, appeared convinced that this was the only course of action open to Zionism: "The Arabs will have to go," but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war.
Thus, the corrected punctuation in the latter version distinguishes between Ben-Gurion's own words and Pappé’s paraphrase of the gist of the Zionist leader's thinking on transfer, an essential distinction that does not exist in the JPS article. It is worth noting that in its correspondence with us, CAMERA made no mention of the substantive error arising from the misplaced quotation marks in JPS, which we ourselves are highlighting in the interests of accuracy. [9]
The JPS, for its part, does not mention that the paperback version of Pappé's book, certainly at least the 2011 reprint, uses (p. 23) the quote with the same mark positioning as the JPS article—"The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war." The paperback provides different sources to the Smith citation used in the journal article, though: "Ben-Gurion's Diary, 12 July 1937, and in New Judea, August–September 1937, p. 220."
Having uncovered these citation errors and discrepancies, the journal decided to go the final step and have the entirety of Ben-Gurion's letter translated into English. The translated letter confirms that, regardless of citation errors, the underlying interpretation of the letter provided by Pappé's article and book was sound. In the letter to his son, Ben-Gurion is quite clear: "We must expel Arabs and take their place." [9]
andrea - i appreciate your working on this. thanks. please note that many of the links i removed were removed not because of RS issues, but because the links are dead, and no other info is out there. his own website hasn't worked in a long time, for example. so, when re-adding my deletes, please check carefully. i will wait until you finish your work, and then review it and make any comments after that. thanks again. Soosim ( talk) 05:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
http://www.asawinstanley.com/ (website of the author)
(The relevant section of this article, now quoted)
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Without getting into the entire dispute, it suffices for our purposes to note that CAMERA’s argument against this quotation’s accuracy was faintly ridiculous.
The Journal of Palestine Studies published a typed transcript of the entire original Ben-Gurion letter to his son in Hebrew, along with their own English translation – the first time the entire letter had been made available in English. But CAMERA managed to obtain a copy of the hand-written original, publishing a small portion of it.
CAMERA’s explaining away of a clearly-worded sentence written in Ben-Gurion’s own hand frankly verges on conspiracy theory.
CAMERA points out that, immediately before the line “We must expel Arabs and take their place” there are another few lines that have been crossed out. CAMERA then argues that part of the lines immediately before “We must expel…” were “mistakenly erased” by unknown persons. They claim the crossed-out passage is an “integral part of the sentence.”
When added to the surviving sentence, they claim, the real meaning was precisely the opposite – “We do not want to and we do not have to expel Arabs and take their place”!
(Interestingly, CAMERA consults the very same Zionist historian-politician already mentioned in this post to back up their strange theory – Michael Bar-Zohar).
But this is pure speculation.
I asked two professional Hebrew translators and a linguist for their opinions. Each considered the evidence independently. All three dismissed CAMERA’s theory.
end quote.
The original documents from JPS as well
http://palestine-studies.org/files/hebrelett.pdf
http://palestine-studies.org/files/lettertran.pdf
Info to include. Vikingsfan8 ( talk) 09:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Why does the info box say that his ethnicity is German? Shouldn't Jewish or Ashkenazi Jew be more appropriate?
187.193.58.95 ( talk) 04:12, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
At present a sentence referring to the mark that Teddy Katz received from Haifa University remains unclear. It reads "The assessment of the revised thesis was highly mixed, but overall it was failed.[12][16]". The first half of the sentence is weasel worded, or at least needs elucidation. The reference used to back up this sentence (16) makes it clear that the mark received was the result of averaging highly divergent marks, something the article states is "most unusual" and "dubious". The fact that an unusual process was applied is an important detail, not simply the fact that the marks were "highly mixed" (actually highly divergent). I would propose, on the basis of the reference given, "The assessment of the revised thesis by markers was highly divergent, but overall it was failed on the basis of the unusual step averaging divergent marks. This process produced a result of 74%, 1% below the pass mark". That's what it says in the source cited. It might be wrong, but then a new citation is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slmiller6 ( talk • contribs) 13:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
A big chunk of the "Katz Controversy" text is being copied and pasted by "Hasbara trolls" - I find hundreds of references to it on Google - so yes, arguments and references therein should be carefully scrutinized. GXIndiana ( talk) 20:53, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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Under "articles": "Calling a Spade a Spade: The 1948 Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine", article in al-Majdal Magazine (Spring 2006). [retrieved 17 May 2007]. Broken -> correct link: http://www.badil.org/en/component/k2/item/957-calling-a-spade-a-spadethe-1948-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine.html MrVertigo ( talk) 16:00, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Please, is it possible to add this book in the bibliography :
The Arab Jews : History of a Forgotten People, I.B. Tauris, 2012. Thank you -- 90.35.93.209 ( talk) 21:52, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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It makes more sense for Ilan to be listed as at the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies (IAIS). This is also at the University of Exeter, but is more specific than the College of Social Sciences and International Studies (CSSIS), since the IAIS is a highly autonomous department within CSSIS with its own structure, and which uses CSSIS' name as a formality and for admin purposes.
https://socialsciences.exeter.ac.uk/iais/staff/pappe/ - as you can see, he's listed at the IAIS. Innovative Username ( talk) 23:27, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph:
In 2012, the Journal of Palestine Studies (JPS) translated and published the 1937 Ben-Gurion letter after the pro-Israel media monitoring group CAMERA reported an error in an article that Pappé wrote for the JPS after CAMERA informed them that a quote in the article had been incorrectly attributed to Ben-Gurion. [10] [7] Nonetheless, the JPS stated that the translated letter confirmed that, regardless of Pappé's citation errors, the underlying interpretation of the letter provided by Pappé's article and book was sound. [9] CAMERA countered by providing the original, handwritten letter by Ben-Gurion, and charged not only that the pertinent phrase had been incorrectly translated, but that the article also incorrectly interpreted the context of the letter. [11]
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In this section:
"Pappé is one of Israel's New Historians who, since the release of pertinent British and Israeli government documents in the early 1980s, have been rewriting the history of Israel's creation in 1948, and the corresponding expulsion or flight of 700,000 Palestinians in the same year. He has written that the expulsions were not decided on an ad hoc basis, as other historians have argued, but constituted the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, in accordance with Plan Dalet, drawn up in 1947 by Israel's future leaders.[7] He blames the creation of Israel for the lack of peace in the Middle East, arguing that Zionism is more dangerous than Islamic militancy, and has called for an international boycott of Israeli academics.[8][9]"
There is a clear failure of NPOV. Terms such as "rewriting history" with a hyperlink to revisionism or implications such as "as other historians have argued" suggest an inherent misdirection or that there is not academic debate around the subject, but rather an established agreement which Pappe intentionally subverts for political reasons. I would appreciate if this could be addressed.
Retuu ( talk) 13:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Is a claim that can't be disproven, but perhaps be contradicted (as one can contradict anything, something that is occassioanlly called 'denial'). What can be done is to point out that the claim lacks evidence or that there is problems with the evidence. 196.25.221.94 ( talk) 06:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)