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A different citation is needed to link Dolly to the Honduras deaths. The source mentions Dolly once-
Which means
It doesn't really confirm too well that Dolly was responsible. Can someone find a better source? If not, I am going to remove that statement. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 13:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
The storm is still a category 1 until the next advisory says so. So, I reverted the category information on the main page. Hurricaneguy ( talk) 14:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
What is the criteria for giving an article "Mid" importance? I thought we reserved that for Cat4/5, retired, or particularly devastating storms, like Hurricane Dean. This storm looks more like a "Low" importance storm to me. Hurricane Claudette (2003) is almost identical to Hurricane Dolly (2008), and even as a Featured Article it still only has Low importance. Unless something unexpected and truly catastrophic happens, I don't understand why this storm is rated up there with household names like Hurricane Fran and Hurricane Georges, or a basin-crosser like Hurricane Cesar-Douglas. Plasticup T/ C 13:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Agricultural damage will play a big role in the final number. If there isn't much, then the total cost should run around $200-500M, which is not exactly retirement-worthy for a US storm. The initial estimate of $1.5B assumes significant flood damage. CrazyC83 ( talk) 15:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
If those are the guidelines, shouldn't Hanna be given high importance? Derek Ortt ( talk) 17:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't know if you have all this info, but I found it while researching Dean. Very concise list http://www.themonitor.com/news/hurricane_14952___article.html/valley_category.html Plasticup T/ C 18:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, with $1.5 billion in damage, it looks like Dolly will be a likely retirement candidate. Should we move the page to Hurricane Dolly? There have been far less damaging storms that have been retired. Almost every tropical cyclone that causes over $1 billion in damage is retired. I know the U.S. has to request its retirement, which is something the U.S. very rarely passes on. ANDROS1337 03:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Hurricane Angel Saki, we can't redirect the article until we are fully sure that the hurricane will be retired. Hurricaneguy ( talk) 05:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure the storm name will be retired. The old rule of thumb was that category 3 hurricanes produced enough damage for retirement. If the government of Mexico thinks it should be retired, it would be. Either way, we won't know for sure until next spring. I'd keep the article right where it is. Thegreatdr ( talk) 14:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
But although it caused an estimated 1.5 billion in damage, it has been more than 2 months since it hit, and the damage totals remain set at that. Was 1.5 billion in damage an accurate guess? If so, then should it should be moved to just Hurricane Dolly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.163.233 ( talk) 23:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
You still can't roll out the possibility of it's retirement; the WMO will retire or not retire the name. It depends on what they decide will be retired, not you! And no; Arthur, Bertha, Cristobal, Edouard, Josephine, Kyle, Laura, and Marco certainly won't be retired, so I won't ask this question for every 2008 storm. Even so, the names Gustav and Ike, 2 completly different hurricanes in 2008, might not be retired. TC 18:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, the TCR has came out today, damages are downgraded to 1.35 billion, although that could still be enough to retire the name, one direct death was in Texas,it was downgraded to an 85 mph storm at it's landfall, and it's pressure is now 963 milibars. 76.235.170.181 ( talk) 01:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Can the highest recorded (actually recorded, not estimated) wind speeds and gusts and rainfall totals be added? I haven't seen them anywhere. Ferd Blivid ( talk) 14:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The running best track for Dolly, like Fausto, downgraded it to a Category One with peak winds of 80 kt. This may be because of the 3 hour difference in advisory times but we'll have to wait until the TCR comes out to verify that I guess. - Ramisses ( talk) 18:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Some errors I have noticed in the Hurricane Dolly article
1. The storm caused no deaths in Texas, but still caused $1.5 billion dollars in damage, making it the most destructive Texas hurricane since 1983's Alicia. Dolly is not the most destructive Texas hurricane since Alica. Hurricane Rita impacted Texas in 2005 and caused 11 billion in damage, much of that was in Texas (Knabb et al., 2006 available online at
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL182005_Rita.pdf)
Oops. I meant to say Dolly was the most destructive hurricane to make landfall in Texas since Alicia.
2. Dolly's landfall as a category 2. The working best track has category 1 at 80KT. This is not category 2 (available online at ftp://ftp.tpc.ncep.noaa.gov/atcf/btk/bal042008.dat). This does not mean in the final best track will not reflect category 2, but it does not currently reflect cat 2
3. The Yucatan is not a part of Guatemala. Why is the Yucatan damage under the Guatemala section?
4. The damage should be reflected as estimated. Ophelia in 2005 had a preliminary estimate of 1.6 billion (available online at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/tws/MIATWSAT_nov.shtml?) only to be reduced to 70 million (Beven, 2006 available online at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL162005_Ophelia.pdf)
Dortt ( talk) 18:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
It was not described as a 2 operationally. In the TC Discussion from 2100 UTC July 23 (Avila, 2008 available online at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2008/al04/al042008.discus.014.shtml?) it was stated that the winds were between 80-85KT. At the very least, it should say strong 1 or a weak 2
Dortt ( talk) 19:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll produce it on Monday or Tuesday next week, as long as Dolly's remnant disturbance (upper level circulation, not remnant low) dissipates by then. Hopefully, Brownsville will conduct a survey, or receive a report over 12 inches between now and then. As you know, I don't use rainfall estimates in the maps, only rain guage reports. Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
yay its at kansas, and here yay-- Jakezing ( talk) 17:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
The NHC July monthly summary is reporting a damage figure of 750 million to 1 Billion and only 1 death (Avila et al., 2008 available online at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2008/tws/MIATWSAT_jul.shtml?).
The deaths in Honduras must not have been attributed to the storm, but instead to normal rainfall in the area, possibly from daytime heating (just this meteorologist's interpretation, of course) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dortt ( talk • contribs) 04:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
HPC rainfall page for Dolly now online. Because of surface analyses generated during the event, it does differ with NHC's towards the end of its life cycle. Thegreatdr ( talk) 12:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe deaths due to rip currents are considered to be direct deaths, since they are directly caused by the effects of the storm, while electrocutions are considered to be indirect, since that is likely due to the aftermath Derek Ortt ( talk) 03:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Where is the NHC rainfall graphic? And why aren't the deaths in New Mexico counted as relevant to the event? Ferd Blivid ( talk) 15:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, thank you, I see it. But it's mentioned above that the HPC's info differs from NHC's towards the end of the life cycle... what I want to know is where can I see the NHC's info, so I can compare it to the HPC's and see how they differ. Ferd Blivid ( talk) 19:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking this could be close to GA status. Someone nominate it Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 09:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually I see a lot of problems with this article. The end of the storm history section really starts to ramble and talk about its impact. Preparations are divided by "landfall" rather than by region, a meaningless distinction as Guatemala for instance wasn't affected by the landfall, while mainland Texas was affected by the third landfall (after the 2nd landfall on the barrier islands). Similarly the impact is divided by landfall then talks about specific regions. And yeah, aftermath is needed eventually. — jdorje ( talk) 18:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Aftermath.
Copyedit, especially for
passive voice.
I don't understand how the Impact section works. First landfall, then second landfall, then United States, then Mexico? I suggest the following:
===Mexico=== ===First landfall=== ===Second landfall=== ===United States===
Plasticup T/ C 00:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
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