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The article needs to do a better job of justifying its existence. It simply throws out facts relating to Howard Odum in semi-random order, without regard to what's important or what relates to what. It doesn't even specifically say what Odum profession was!
Suggested organization: (1) Brief statement of who he was and why he was imporant (Something like, "Howard Odum was a system ecologist who pioneered...") (2) Biographical sketch; (3) Summary of Odum's important contributions and accomplishment. The book references are fine, but you might also want to sort through the many references to Odum on the web, and link the better ones.
The article also needs a some basic copy editing, but I can do that for you, once you get a proper article structure in place. --- Isaac R 06:57, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Ecosystem ecologist" sounds tautological. Perhaps you mean "system ecologist" (a term I've heard applied to Odum)? If so, a separate article defining the profession is would be informative, since many people (well me, anyway) have no idea what such a system ecologist is. --- Isaac R 19:29, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hello. My question is whether, in this particular case, Mr. McCready's application of the “pseudoscience” categorization was unjustified.
H.T. Odum earned a B.S. in zoology (Phi Beta Kappa) at the University of North Carolina, worked in the Air Force as a tropical meteorologist, and earned a Ph.D. in zoology at Yale University. He then entered into the field that his brother Eugene Odum was pioneering: systems ecology. Howard Odum later founded the Center for Wetlands at the University of Florida, and by the end of his life had written some 300 scientific papers.
Odum got his degrees in the science departments of solid, respectable universities, one of them being Yale. As to ecology itself, it is accepted as a science and taught in countless university biology departments around the world. That it is a young science, barely over 50 years old, does not make it a pseudoscience.
Granted, "systems ecology" is a specific line of inquiry and hypothesis/theory within ecology. Again, I doubt this makes it pseudoscience. But, in any case, the article in question is a thumbnail biography.
I'd like to hear some other opinion as to whether there can be any justification at all for labelling the Howard T. Odum biographical article as a "pseudoscience article". Joel Russ 15:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry I reverted you, but I would like to leave those quotes out for the moment. - Mdd 23:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I've just seen that you made some more edits, and maybe I've been to quick in referting you. If so I'm sorry. As you probably have seen, have I completly wikified the article. I realize, that I probably made some mayor and minor mistakes, which you will have to correct... I want to give you the time to do so.
I however keep the opinion that those quotes should not return in the article. This is a matter of lay out. With the makeover I've shown that those remarks can also be listed in the references/notes. I'll like to keep it that way. Good luck. - Mdd 23:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for this feed back. I think there is more at stake here then just the quotes. But first this:
Now my mean interest at the moment is to improve the H.T. Odum article. And I'll like to work on at the moment. I propose that we argue about article related subjects such as the quotes on the articles talk page. I'll also copy your above comment there and will respond there - Mdd 15:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
What to do with the quotes in this article:
Now I think there is a simple mid-way point. Some of those quotes can be written into the text. I already did this today with the Taylor (1988, p.223) quote, see [1], about Howards youth inspirations. Maybe this is acceptable? In this case the quotes don't return as a layout feature. - Mdd 15:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I rearranged the section about Odums work in five chapters. This is a first attempt to get some more coherence into this whole section!? - Mdd 22:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 16:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The pic of the wetland reserves should be better captioned. When I first saw it, I thought it was a picture of the Center that Odum founded, which it's not. DHN 18:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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