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Hello. My name is Erik Even, and I am a Web Producer for Westfield Corporation. We're concerned that many of the Wikipedia pages for Westfield centers have incorrect or outdated information, and even content that is not NPOV.
I have read the rules for Conflict of Interest, and I will not be attempting to make any page edits. I will simply be going into talk pages, and suggesting edits, which the community may then either act on or not. I genuinely appreciate any help you can give.
Our suggested text is below, which is meant to be the first paragraph.
Architecturally, it is known for its
postmodern design, bright colors, architectural tricks, and odd spatial rhythms. Opening in 1985, Horton Plaza was the first successful downtown San Diego retail center since the rise of suburban shopping centers decades earlier. It should not be confused with nearby
Horton Plaza park.
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose This article describes the mall, in the past tense since it has been torn down. But it existed, it was a mall, and its history is significant. "mall" needs to remain in the title since there are two articles about Horton Plaza.
Horton Plaza, the suggested new title, is actually a disambiguation page listing both articles. Someday soon there will be three articles, when "The Campus at Horton" is completed. --
MelanieN (
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02:09, 12 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Yes, the mall isn't called Horton Plaza Mall - and wasn't called that when it existed (1985–2020); from 1998 till 2020 it was officially known as
Westfield Horton Plaza. That is a redirect to
Horton Plaza Mall but I suppose the titles could be switched, with Horton Plaza Mall becoming the redirect and Westfield Horton Plaza becoming the title. Or if the name bothers us I suppose we could change the title to
Horton Plaza (mall), but I prefer the current title. You are right that the shopping center never had "mall" as part of its official name - but it also never comprised the whole of Horton Plaza, a historic area and concept going back more than 100 years. During that time the area has undergone several major changes in usage, reflected in several articles here, while always keeping some form of the name "Horton Plaza". The adjacent park area, also part of the original Horton Plaza, actually is called
Horton Plaza Park, but only since 2011. A third usage,
The Campus at Horton, is currently under construction where the mall used to stand. --
MelanieN (
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15:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)reply
While "Horton Plaza Park" may be the official name used since 2016, Horton Plaza has been known as such since 1895
[1], so I'm not buying the PTM argument.
162 etc. (
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16:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Agree. BTW the century-long history of Horton Plaza is detailed in the article
Horton Plaza Park, so if anything is to be known as simply Horton Plaza it should be that article, not the modern mall. --
MelanieN (
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00:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Support
Horton Plaza (mall). The current title violates NATURAL because it was never called this, so it must be renamed. Per the arguments above it can’t go to the proposed title. Therefore this counter-proposal. I also oppose moving to Westfield Horton Plaza per OFFICIAL. It was rarely actually called that. —
В²C☎18:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)reply
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