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I am afraid, we don't have the number of annual visitors. Revenue-wise it is the second most earner after Yala. I was able to get the visitor information on Udawalawe though.--Chanaka L (
talk)08:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Good, I've
tidied it a bit to remove repetition (the name of the park is used far too often), and running sentences together to improve the flow. Please change back anything you don't like
I think so, it will probably be a while before it gets reviewed, so we can carry on refining the prose any way. A reviewer is bound to pick up on things we have missed any way. Jimfbleak - talk to me?11:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Showtime! I listed it in GAN. I think would be good idea of keep improving the text. A question, As an usual practice for a mammal species mentioned in the source, if it has a subspecies in Sri Lanka I go for subspecies. Eg. Elephant -> Sri Lankan Elephant, Sambar Deer -> Sri Lankan Sambar Deer. Is there any wrong with that?--Chanaka L (
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Under visitor attractions, is it worth adding something about access. It's easily reached by road from Nuaya Eliya, but I seem to remember that there's a train station near the park. What are the opening hours Jimfbleak - talk to me?07:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)reply
This is a very interesting region that seems to be an extension of the
Sholas of southern India. At first glance, the article seems to cover most of the key aspects required for articles covering biomes. Some comments as I go through the article.
This article is overall looking good, needs some tightening of prose and some slight restructuring. Should not be too much work before it is a Good Article if the sources are available.
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Good luck with improving this article! Additional comments below.
Specific suggestions
Perhaps the history of changes in its protection status should be moved out of the lead. Current status alone in lead, lead can avoid inline references with their usage best left in the main sections.
Done Removed in line citation from lead.
"park is contiguous with the Peak Wilderness Sanctuary in the west" - can be slightly confusing, which one is on which side?
Done Clarified now.
"supports the most extensive area of cloud forest" - support ? perhaps some other verb. Does this mean there are other areas with cloud forest.
The altitude is mentioned in the second paragraph of the lead. Perhaps it would be good to move it up and explain that although called "Plains" that these are highlands.
Done by Shyamal. Thanks
Physical features - can a climate chart be included ?
I am afraid. Those charts are rare for even cities such as
Kandy.
Some of the journals are lacking volume, issue and page numbers (Reviewer may have fixed some of these since)
Thanks for refs. Is iwmi.org the concern? Oh no, That's very reliable. They even has given refs in the articles. I checked those books. Sorry no mention of HP. Lawrie's gazetteer and Casie Chitty's book are really history books. aren't they?
Not a problem. My concern was a non-English source that was not easily verifiable. Gazetteers usually include more than history, geography, geology, flora&fauna, population etc. Not sure about the mentioned though.
Shyamal (
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09:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Yeah It would be better to have all-English sources. But do not worry Senaratna's book published by a leading publishers in Sri Lanka (if not the biggest).
Here is their web. The title of the book Sri Lankawe Jathika Vanodhyana means "National Parks of Sri Lanka" in Sinhala. Although this not descriptive as the Green's I found it very useful. I have another book called Sri Lankawe vananthara (Forests of Sri Lanka).
ISBN955-573-401-1. by same author.
Some sources on the web suggest that the place was named by "Thomas Farr" - who (re)"discovered" it at least for the European settlers. Do you have a
WP:RS for that ?
I have read that Thomas Farr is a planter. The story is two army officers found this plains when they were on hunting and named after the governor of that time.
Some citation needed tags and inline clarification tags are added.
Done
Would suggest merging of the sections within Fauna, the "Fish and crustacea" stand out as being somewhat loose. Also overall this is too vertebrate centric
Done Merged. Yeah it would be nice if I was able to mention some butterflies.
I found
this and bit reluctant to mention it. I have a book authored by that Gehan de Silva Wijeratne. But I wasn't all convinced about his manner of writing. It better fit as a travel guide not as an academic literature.
One pending item, there are three rivers mentioned in the lead but at the end of the physical features section, a cited mention of only one is provided.
Done added a source.
There were a couple of sections ending without source citations including the fauna section on endemic birds. I have moved some references which I believe cover these.
National park should not be capitalized in the lead or the History section
Done
Why is there a comma in the last sentence of the lead?
That is
serial comma. I don't know what is the relevant Mos Guideline regarding this. So grateful if you could point out and am willing to change it.
Only two places are listed. The serial comma is only used for three or more.
Fixed now
"The peaks of Kirigalpotta 2,389 metres..." is not clear. The hights are just stuck in there without punctuation or other words.
Done
"Horton Plains was designated as a wildlife sanctuary on 5 December 1969,[1] and because of its biodiversity value, was elevated to a National park on 18 March 1988." is listed twice in the History.
Done
"A total 744 plant species" -> "A total 744 ofplant species"
Thanks very much for the review. Extremely sorry for some what late response. I had lectures yesterday and working on your comments. Regards--Chanaka L (
talk)05:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)reply
I have fixed almost every concerns. So grateful If you could have a look and inform me if there are anything needs to be tightened up. Regards--Chanaka L (
talk)08:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)reply
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I don’t presume to answer on anyone else’s behalf. I’ve already provided my explanation - your image is a duplication of another better image contained in the article. At least this image provides a contrast of the different vegetation types within the national park.
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15:36, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
So does mine, and it is technically very much better. A "duplication", as for me, is e.g. if there are two photos of World's End in the article. --
A.Savin (
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16:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Have solved the issue and replaced the main image with one that is more representative of the National Park therefore avoiding the issue of having two images effectively depicting the same landscape.
Dan arndt (
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02:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
The original image, apart from the low quality, id not a representation of the whole park, because it depicts only the view from World's End, which is only a partial aspect. The park is called "Horton Plains", with "plains" meaning that big parts of the area are flat, while located at a high elevation. --
A.Savin (
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17:04, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
And the above of course still means that you are perfectly free to select a real better infobox picture, or go there yourself and take one (if you can). --
A.Savin (
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17:11, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
A.Savin: The images you've chosen only show a partial aspect of the park - a dusty path up a mountain or a close of a river. They do not show wide view of the park. Views from World's End don't need to be excluded from this article just because there is
separate article. If the view from World's End is the best image of the park then that's what we should include.
The title may include "plains" but the parks tropical montane cloud forest are the reason why it's part of a UNESCO World Heritage Site.--
Obi2canibe (
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As you may have noticed, a World's End view picture is already in the article, so no need to be upset that it's no longer in the box too. Don't worry, be happy. --
A.Savin (
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21:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
A.Savin: If that's the problem, the solution is to remove the image of World's End from main body and place one in the info box. The
image in the main body shouldn't be anywhere in this article, or any other article. When we have a choice of dozens of images why should we include an over processed image with a bunch of gawking European tourists?--
Obi2canibe (
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Well, you don't need to repeat over and over again that you find all my pictures bad, I know it meanwhile, and I disagree. The "bunch of gawking European tourists" is because the caption is "The World's End is a tourist attraction", or sth like that. And you see the whole landmark on the picture and why it's actually called World's End. But feel free to go there and take a picture without tourists, as long as they are not back yet. --
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14:14, 7 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
A.Savin: There are other images on Commons which can be used illustrate this point and aren't over processed or manipulated to give an unnatural look. Why choose this one?--
Obi2canibe (
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You really don't need to tell me like a mantra over and over again "Your pictures are overprocessed". You are not someone I have respect for. It definitely needs a neutral opinion. This way we will not come forward. I'm really sorry. --
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