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This page is literally being monitored and followed by vandals. Nine vandal editions in just seven days (from March 17) and this is just an addition to a large file of previous attacks. Isn't it time for a protection? -- Filius Rosadis 16:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Found a very cool old daguerreotype of Mann in the LOC collection - handsome politician by Mass. standards. ;-) Matthew Brady studio portrait.-- BradPatrick 14:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Reverted edits of banned user Amorrow with sock puppets IP 71 addresses. FloNight talk 05:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to be primarily based upon turn of the 20th century opinions about Horace Mann that present him as the creator and "savior" of standard American Educational System. I am new to wikipedia and don't yet feel qualified to manage a full rewrite of an article, but I have found conflicting opinions from several sources that hold that he is one of a number of educational proponents that ushered in a ridged and systematic set of rules for pedagogy that have resulted in a substantial disdain and disinterest for learning by students and resulted in killing the literacy level in the U.S.
See Beyond Culture by the cultural anthropologist, Edward T. Hall (1976-Doubleday) chapter 13 and back notes where he says:
"Implicit in the U.S. educational pattern are large rewards to the highly articulate and those who can work with figures - little else pays off. Consequently students are left stranded overworked, or eliminated by the system not because they don't have brains and talent, but because their particular skills don fit this system - a system, incidentally, that was modeled after the Prussian Army by Horace Mann, first commissioner of education in Massachusetts. The system badly needs updating."
For further consideration, reference: [1]
Also reference: [2]
If this seems appropriate, should these other opinions be added to provide readers with a broader perspective?
-- KeithFail 08:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I have added an NPOV tag because I think some of the comments in that paragraph are inappropriate or just untrue; I think it would be hard to prove that Everett or Mann were trying to construct a system that would produce barely educated factory workers. I think you could talk about how they were concerned about Americanizing the incoming immigrants; I think that would be valid. On the whole, though, I think most historians of education would view Mann's work as important in professionalizing and improving what had been a poorly funded and poorly regarded public education system. (Not that I would necessarily disagree with User:KeithFail above; what was an improvement in the 19th century is not necessarily so great today!) Brianyoumans 01:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Note: the following discussion originated at Talk:Lydia Sigourney; inasmuch as someone more interested in Mann than in Sigourney may be able to answer the question, mkoyle copied it here.
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The article lead says that Mann was a prominent abolitionist, but this isn't discussed anywhere else in the article.
Dialectric ( talk) 13:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The references section needs a bibliography section to elucidate the references... Stevenmitchell ( talk) 17:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I have twice cut down part of the Bob Pepperman Taylor listing under "Further reading", specifically the line: "192 pages. Argues that Mann's view of civic education marginalized the role of schools in training the intellect; links him to anti-intellectualism in American education." It was restored with the reasoning (in edit summary) of: "keep annotation (from the publisher) --content is not otherwise clear". It seems to me that the content is as clear as all the other listings under "Further reading". Few other articles include any additional information on "Further reading" beyond the standard author, title, publisher, etc. Adding more will highlight the listing more than the others, and implies a bias or recommendation, which we must avoid in Wiki-land. The content is clear: the title of the book includes Horace Mann's name. If it is restored, I must insist that all other listings under "Further reading" offer similar commentary on the specific content. -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 20:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The current line under "Legacy" that says "most historians..." etc. is problematic. The four sources provided likely indicate how each of those sources views Mann. However, that does not necessarily mean that "most historians" assess Mann that way. If one of those sources makes the conclusion that "most historians" view Mann a certain way, I'd recommend quoting that source and citing it. Otherwise, this is a violation of original research to say that four sources indicate "most historians." -- Midnightdreary ( talk) 15:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I think we need to also add that Mann was a supporter of asylum reform in New England in the first half of the 19th century. In the 1840s, he helped Dorothea Dix and Samuel G. Howe get legislation passed to develop adequate asylums for mental patients who were being grossly abused in federal prisons, workhouses, and almshouses. <Enduring Vision US History textbook>
-- 2602:30A:2C14:5C70:A1CB:3447:7000:4972 ( talk) 02:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)Anonymous
The article reads more like propaganda than a balanced account - there is no Critical Section at all. For example illiteracy in Massachusetts was actually LOWER before Horace Mann was appointed than it is now, after more than a century and half of his system. The article assumes that government education is automatically correct (no dissenting opinions are really covered) and that parents and voluntary associations (religious and secular) are automatically inferior to government schools. If the government system was so good why did not Mr Mann send his own children to a government school? He educated his children at home, i.e. he Home Schooled them, even though Mr Mann was not a "trained and qualified teacher". Also the sinister project of making children "good citizens" (i.e. shaping their political opinions and attitudes) is treated as also automatically good. 2A02:C7D:B5E6:6400:65EE:D8E7:7C4D:5690 ( talk) 12:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Why not allow a Critical Section - rather than just writing an article that just assumes that the project of Horace Mann (his project to make government dominant in education) was a good thing. If there was a Critical Section for dissent people might not feel the need to "vandalise", i.e. edit, the article. 2A02:C7D:B5E6:6400:65EE:D8E7:7C4D:5690 ( talk) 12:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Removed the final sentence referencing the "factory model" as it's a modern term and does not accurately reflect Mann's plan for schools. Given the term's contemporary useage, its inclusion in a biographical section on Mann violates the NPOV policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdHistory101 ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to add this image under College and University Buildings File:Horace Mann Hall, Pittsburg State University, Pittsburg, Kansas.jpg
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HE DIDN'T INVENTED SCHOL, HE JUST MODERNIZED IT 181.71.66.100 ( talk) 19:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC) IT SAYS Horace Mann CREATED/INVENTED SCHOOL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ichoseu ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
To some editor,
Please add the: Young Woman's Leadership Academy at Horace Mann Junior High School in San Antonio, TX.
Tried to include a photo of the front of the building, but couldn't figure it out. Check the street view of 2123 W Huisache Ave. San Antonio, TX if you want to see for yourself.
Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. 2600:1700:E0:1FB0:1119:FB5C:7395:CAC2 ( talk) 02:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)