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Who or what or where was Hopewell? Inquiring minds want to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.251.194.18 ( talk) 21:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Captain M. C. Hopewell's farm in Ross County, Ohio near the town of Chillicothe contained more than 30 mounds inside a rectangle earthwork. Warren K Moorehead, excavated several Ohio mounds to contribute artifacts for an anthropological exhibit at the Chicago world's fair of 1893. The most productive source of artifacts came from the mounds excavated on Capt. Hopewells farm. Later when archaeologist were identifying the different traditions of the mound builders they used Hopewell Tradition as a label of artifacts and sites that shared traits from the Hopewell Mound Group. Mark V. Haas ( talk) 20:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC) MOUND BUILDERS OF ANCIENT AMERICA By Robert Silverberg 970.43 Sil page 266 [1]
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"The Hopewell tradition was not a single cultural group or society; rather, it was an exchange system for goods and information that connected distinct local populations. The complex trade network that defined this tradition has been referred to as the Hopewell Interaction Sphere." - Images of the Past, page 275 (Price & Feinman) - Fuzzform ( talk) 19:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I propose that this article be renamed "Hopewell tradition", based on the above information. Fuzzform ( talk) 19:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Following information was adapted from Price & Feinman, Images of the Past, pages 274-277 (see citation in article). Info should be incorporated into article once rename is decided.
Fuzzform ( talk) 21:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I recently made a map for the Mississippian culture period, and thought since I already had a blank map, I could just add the Hopewell Interaction spere over it and make one for here too. And then as I began to work on it, I thought, why don't I add the associated local versions of Hopewell over the main image. Swift Creek, Crab Orchard( I think they were hopewell, in southern Illinois?), Marksville, etc. Only it's hard to find a good graphic of each of the individual local expressions. I don't want ot add it till I get it at least close to accurate. I'll post my progress here as an example. So if anyone who has what I need, or could point me in the right direction, leave me a not either here or on my talk page, preferably my talk, don't know when I'll get a chance tocheck back on this here. Heironymous Rowe ( talk) 07:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I just completely re-wrote large sections of this page. I added citations( there was a "this page needs citations tag" from quit a while back), maps, created a section about Hopewell art, and created a section for the various local expressions of the Hopewell tradition. I'm not sure if this page started out coherent, but as I was looking thru it lately, it was anything but. I think some of the local expressions could use some more work, as could the "where did they come from" and the "where did they go" sections. I also removed references to the Celts, Hopi, and a few other things that didn't really seem to have anything to do the the Hopewell tradition. Heironymous Rowe ( talk) 04:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
The Rambling Man ( talk) 15:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC) I've went through and implemented almost all of them. Except for the "large number of section". Heironymous Rowe ( talk) 17:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
This is interesting:
The quote in italics below (emphasis added) is from the book.
Book quote from A History of Hemp is from here:
The original source of the info is from Prehistoric Textile Art of Eastern United States (1891). The text of the whole 1891 book is available here:
It is found in several places on the web. See this Google search:
Here is the searchable Google book location:
I used Google to look around a little in the book to try to find the exact source of the info. No luck so far. Cannabis, marijuana and marihuana are not found in the book via Google search. I found the words hemp and pipe, though not on the same page. There is a lot of discussion about pipes, and a lot about hemp fabric. I did not find Death Mask Mound via the Google search form for that book.
I did find cannabis once though by searching the text version here:
It comes up there as:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 11:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I've split off an article about this regional variation that has been recently added to this article. All future material concerning this culture should be added to the new article, with only a short description left here. This new article should only have information pertaining to the Armstrong culture, not cultures a hundred or more miles away or 500 to a 1000 years later. I have established dating and citation styles for the new article, so lets please stick to them. Happy editing and regards, He iro 00:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The opening of the article states that the Hopewell tradition is "also incorrectly called the "Hopewell culture,"" but the phrase is then used profusely in the article. This idiotic contradiction needs to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.198.211.245 ( talk) 21:59, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
The Couture Complex as mentioned on the map is not brought up in the rest of the article. That's probably because it's not really considered an actual complex (to my knowledge). It was an attempt to make a complex where there was none. At the very least, I can find no information on it, and there are no links to it in the sources cited. Discuss? In the meantime I'll keep searching for information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junanjpu ( talk • contribs) 19:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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This page is inconsistent and needs much more accurate work. The references are primarily limited to non-academic webpages with only partial information and oppinion over fact. The one source quoted repeated does not show up in the references (Dancey year?). There is no consistent narrative, and it is at times self contradictory. The text seems to be based on an introductory text (Price and Feinman) with minimal research. It does not reflect current understanding. It is a reasonable start, but for such an important topic it is woefully inadequate. Additionally, the related cultures table leaves out the Late Woodland period that comes between the Middle Woodland Hopewell and the Late Prehistoric Fort Ancient. Just because we don't know much about the period AD 500-1000 doesn't mean we can skip it. |
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Early in the article there is a quotation attributed to Dancey, but no related soruce. Kdammers ( talk) 01:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
A theory of why Hoewell culture 'suddenly exploded' has been proposed" http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170611/archaeology--immigrants-aided-creative-boom-by-ancient-ohioans Kdammers ( talk) 01:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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Some clarification is needed with regard to various 'manifestations' and their relationships. in particular, Goodall is much more Hopewellian than is Laurel. (See Ron Mason's article on the latter, "Hopewell, Middle Woodland, and the Laurel Culture: A Problem in Archeological Classification " https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1525/aa.1970.72.4.02a00030 and Hopewell Archeology: The Newsletter of Hopewell Archeology in the Ohio River Valley; 4. Current Research on the Goodall Focus; Volume 2, Number 1, October 1996 on the latter, for example.) This is especially true if we are talking about Hopewell as a tradition.
It is peculiar that the lede refers to the alternative term 'Hopewell culture' but not to the 'Hopewell interaction sphere.' The latter term was introduced to avoid thinking of what appears to be a trading network with a unified cultural entity. It is used only once, without explanation, in the article. A fairly recent work by a leading areal specialist (Ceramic Petrography and Hopewell Interaction by the late James B. Stoltman) used it, while using 'Hopewell culture' when referring to Ohio manifestations.
I think we should re-consider our use of cover terms. Kdammers ( talk) 04:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Chris Light: I'm not sure how helpful this infobox is. The Hopewell tradition was a linked network of local traditions, not a single culture. Adding only the Ohio information leaves out the majority of the local expressions over almost half the continent. Adding them all would make the infobox prohibitively huge. It might be appropriate to use this infobox for an article on the Ohio Hopewell (if anyone ever gets around to writing one), but I'm not sure it's really helpful here. He iro 14:42, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm sharing another potential source for the airburst study. Current citation / alternate link. The former is more scientific. The latter references the same study, but it more readable and gives a little more description of the potential effects. Canute ( talk) 14:38, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
The fonts used in some of these graphics is unencyclopedic and unreadable. These graphics appear to have been made by an editor. I am requesting that said editor fix the font immediately. 2600:1702:3200:2850:E593:6A8A:6F25:7512 ( talk) 18:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Has genetic testing of Hopewell remains indicated which modern-day tribes might be descended from people(s) of the Hopewell tradition? 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 00:09, 28 February 2024 (UTC)