This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
This article seems to focus on homosexuality as a mental illness and "reparitive therapy" not psychology of homosexuality, which many modern psychotherapist discuss at length (and not at all in the context of it being an "illness" and needing "cured"). Psychologist no longer see homosexuality as an illness, but that doesn't mean they stopped studying it's origins or effects on behavior. As it stands, this article has a decidedly negitive slant. For instance, the paragraph on Freud focuses solely on his view of homosexuality as an illness, and doesn't mention any of his other views or theories concerning it. Some classic and modern views on actual accepted theories concerning homosexuality deserve mention, otherwise this article should be renamed "Homosexuality Myths and Psychology"-- Vesperal 05:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Heres an idea, lets give this article a positive slant and tell everyone how normal and rewarding it is to be a homosexual. Infact everyone nation-wide should be subjected to manditory diversity sensitivity training and political re-education like they do at Ohio State University http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49877
For those that resist and try to hold onto their natural mammalian instincts, I suggest we subject them electro-shock therapy while forcing them to watch homo-erotic pornography until their independant thought process has been so thoroughly repressed and destroyed that they will surrender their biased, ugly, vulgar, prejudiced homo-phobic pre-conceived ideas about sex among mentally sound people normally taking place between a man and a women, and all that nasty business about marriage. Who needs marriage? We should be using science to research ways to turn ourselves into Parthenogen's so everyone can become a homosexual. /sarcasm -- Nazrac 23:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Gays and Lesbians the world over are fighting FOR marriage, not against it. Wandering Star 00:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I meant that the article had a negitive slant towards PSYCHOLOGISTS. The current article makes it sound like psychologist either still believe all the old rubbish or have stopped studying it all together, neither of which is true. The research that needs to be added (I'm afraid I don't have even close to enough knowledge about it) needs to be from contemporary psychologists using real science. It doesn't matter to me in the least if this gives a positive or negitive view of the homosexual lifestyle. (In fact it may not, I've read a few things about alchohol abuse for example.) But if you would rather believe that the whole universe is trying to turn you gay, go right ahead. Whatever makes you feel like a victim. Vesperal 02:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Naz, It's a pity that you haven't taken any college courses in psychology or psychiatry.. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) is currently the body responsible for speaking on behalf of the psychiatric profession as a whole. And the APA has maintained that homosexuality is within the normal range of variation for sexuality. The official position is also that attempts at changing a person's sexual orientation are all damaging to the client. That's not a few gay rights activists speaking that's the APA, get it? You who have never studied psychiatry and know next to nothing about it are not going to convince me that the APA, which is composed of the most eminent psychiatrists in the country, doesn't know what it's talking about. Wandering Star 14:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Firstly let me ask you the following questions: When did I say anything about the APA? Have you studied psychology or psychiatry? If so, where? Ohio State University? (see link above) What makes you think I am advocating trying to 'change' homosexuals? What put you under the mistaken impression that I am trying to convince you personally of anything, or by extension care the slightest what you think?
Apparently sarcasm is lost on you as well, as you seem to have completely missed the point of the above statement, it was a satirical jab. I even went to the length of affixing a '/sarcasm' note at the bottom, in consideration for those who are of such feeble mindedness that they might misinterpret the statement. -- Nazrac 20:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
"But if you would rather believe that the whole universe is trying to turn you gay, go right ahead. Whatever makes you feel like a victim.Vesperal 02:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)"
Its not me who is playing the victim card. We see time and again those who have some inclination to force their opinions on others (or force others to accept them) will play the victim card. Homophobia this, prejudiced biggot that. I'm not the one playing the victim card as I dont need to convince anyone of anything, I'm not the one with an 'alternative lifestyle" issue. -- Nazrac 17:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know any details regarding how and when homosexuality was declassified in the UK? -- Axon Mon Jul 28 15:30:14 PST 2003
It seems to have been as late as 1993, in the UK.
There's some stuff here, so perhaps better source material could be found from that?
http://www.lgcm.org.uk/bible/chap6.htm
"In Britain however the situation had not progressed as far and in 1975 the British Medical journal was still publishing articles on possible treatments including hormonal therapy, aversion therapy and most bizarrely therapy `to mobilise the heterosexual elements' whatever that might mean! Finally in 1992 the WHO deleted homosexuality from its list of mental disorders and the UK government followed suit in 1993. The Royal College of Psychiatrists supported an equal age of consent for gay men when this was debated in the U.K. Parliament in 1995 and continued to do so until this was finally passed by Parliament this year. "
-- Amortize
In fact, it seems to have been April 1994. The intention to do so was announced in January 1993, and was implemented in new guidelines that came into force in April 1994.
http://www.lesbianinformationservice.org/etpap.htm
-- Amortize
Wow, they actually have a lesbian information service? On their site it uses terms like "Homophobia Awareness from a Multi-Oppression Perspective." Homosexuality used to be considered abnormal and a form of mental illness or inbalance. Today it seems like anyone who doesn't march in gay parades on a regular basis now has some kind of phsychiatric label. These Pro-gay websites talk about "hidden biases" in our psyche, and use the term "phobias" to describe anyone who believes men engaging in lewd acts with one another to be abnormal or offensive. With enough time and brain-washing (also known as sensitivity or diversity training) just about anything can be impressioned into the minds of young people as being normal, perfectly acceptable and even fasionable. Anyone that resists these ideas being crammed down their throat is accused of harbouring some sort of "hidden bias, prejudice or phobia." It is this "hidden bias" or rather natural instinct that is almost certainly responsibility for the survival and continued survival of our species and every other since the beginning of sexual reproduction in the earliest life forms of our planet.
-- Nazrac 23:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I learn from a book that the removal of homosexuality from American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) was because the pressure from the gay-rights group. Should we mention that in the context? -- Yacht ( Talk) Q 01:54, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
That is true, and I would mention it. Regardless of whether homosexuality is really a mental disorder, lobbying is essentially the reason it was removed. There aren't many practicing psychologists who believe it is a mental disorder anymore... you may want to include that. I don't have any real numbers regarding how many clinical vs research vs applied psychologists think it is or isn't, but most recent literature assumes it is not a problem (well, most literature that I've read at any rate). There are some studies suggesting that homosexuality can't be "cured" anyway, although I don't have reference information handy. You could dig into psychinfo or ebscohost databases if you're interested in following up on that for the article; this particular focus of sexuality is outside of my area of expertise.-- nameless 02:20, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure in the "lobbying theory" of declassification is actually true: when I originally wrote this article my research indicated that the results of Hooker and Kinsey opened up the possibility that homosexuality was not a disorder. What evidence is there to support the view that lobbying caused declassification? -- Axon 15:06, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't think Hooker and Kinsey were widely accepted until much later. As late as the mid-1960s, it was standard orthodoxy that homosexuality was unquestionably a mental illness, and that the only people who thought otherwise were a bunch of pseudoscientific kooks and political pressure groups. For example:
-- Delirium 09:17, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
Tell me, what is the point of "gay activism" other than to pressure, lobby and if need be harass and slander anyone who dismisses the notion that homosexuality is some mainstream alternative to normal sexuality? The whole idea of this "activism" is to challenge the idea of what is normal to begin with. Anyone who tries to resist this idea being pounded into their head, such as in campus 'diversity seminars' and insists they know what they consider to be normal is than accused of harbouring some kind of hidden bias or preconception about homosexuality. I've heard of elementary school children as young as 11 years old being subjected to classroom siminars and discussions about the issue of sexuality, where they are asked things like "can you tell if a person is married or has kids just by looking at them?" The person asking the question is almost always a homosexual. They are further subjected to questions like "how do you know you are not gay unless you have tried it?" That is some question to be asking 11 year olds. Most children at that age dont know how to respond to such a question, let alone recognize the intentions behind the question. You might ask children "how do you know drugs are bad for you unless you try it?" I think we all know what the reaction from parents would be. Parents used to complain about their children being exposed to these seminars and guest speakers when the subject was contraception and sexually transmitted diseases. Today it seems all sorts of gay activist guest speakers are being put infront of children who try to indoctrinate them in the years before they reach sexual maturity. If that is not an outright malicious attempt to stear the impressionable minds of young people down a cetain path I dont know what is. -- Nazrac 17:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Cross post from User talk:Axon:
It rather depends on how you define a "professional body" - it can mean one of two things. It can simply be any body of professionals or it can be some superivising body that accredits professionals. In the former instance, NARTH may well self-describe itself as a professional body . However, it is less likely to belong the later definition. It is also worth pointing out that a Google for the term "professional body" and NARTH comes up with only 9 hits [1], and most of those use the term "professional body" with regard to the ACA, APA, etc. In other words, they use the term in it's second meaning and not in regard to NARTH at all.
Given the ambiguity of the term I think it's POV to describe NARTH as a professional body. Your suggestion that "opponents" do not describe NARTH as a professional body would seem to negate this, but I don't feel this it is appropriate to start discussing the controversy on the page: discussion of whether or not NARTH is a professional body more properly belongs on the NARTH page.
Similarly, the "overtly" secular would seem to place the emphasis of NARTH's claimed secularism and fails to mention the fact that NARTH is widely regarded to be funded by fundamentalist Christian concerns and be far from a secular organisation. We could similarly mention he dispute, but I would strongly argue that any such discussion of controversy of NARTH belongs on the NARTH page.
The simplest solution would me to mention that NARTH offers reparative therapies and link to the pages where more full and neutral discussion can take place. -- Axon 13:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Addundum: A quick visit to the NARTH home page indicates that NARTH does not actually describe itself as a professional body. -- Axon 13:15, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for all the explanations. I had understood NARTH to offer full membership only to professionals and to make considerable play of the religious diversity of its membership whilst receiving significant funding from conservative Christian and conservative Jewish groups. If NARTH is not a professional body then the whole point is redundant, since I only mentioned it because I did not want to make an absolute claim about the opinions of professional bodies if even one dissented. -- Theo (Talk) 14:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
On 31 May 05, Richman9 inserted the name of the coalition of 15 Christian organizations who support an individual's right to change from homosexuality (PATH), and gave a link to it's Web site. Axon reverted that insertion, stating that "Wikipedia is not a soapbox." I (Richman9) guess I don't understand how this is a soapbox. If the article felt that this coalition was worthy of mentioning, does it not serve Wikipedia's audience to allow them to find out more information about it? If not, then Wikipedia should eliminate references to any and all URLs. This is a legitimate coalition of 15 major organizations with a purpose that is relevant to this article. Why not provide Wikipedia's users with a link to it's Web site?
I'm not sure if the section on the Washington Post article and the detail on who funded this is relevant for this section, which is merely an introduction to reparative therapy and the ex-gay movement. This section should be brief and point readers to those pages? Axon 15:05, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Let's put some serious sources on this. Also, The homophobia section reads like a blog- can we be a little more scientific, please? Intellectualprop2002 4 July 2005 17:53 (UTC)
Comment: Intellectualprop2002 slapped a POV on four articles within 26 minutes
He also wrote two articles that are now up on VfD that have received very strong delete votes on the grounds that they are POV forks and original research: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Either_Or_Argument and Reduced Gene Pool Argument. Those articles purported that there was no genetic basis for homosexuality. The emerging concensus of the community on those articles is that their content is non-encyclopedic. It is interesting to note that the NPOV tagging of the homosexuality-related articles happened in such close proximity to the strong negative reaction to the author's articles.
For what it is worth, I have read this article and do not believe that the POV tag is appropriate. I recommend removing it. Tobycat 5 July 2005 00:57 (UTC)
The WHO declaration should be referenced to some official document ( WHO's website ? )—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.226.239.138 ( talk) 02:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC).
The church objects to homosexuality purely on the basis of moral standards. They in no way argue anything about psychology, which is what the article is about. Unless the church comes out with a psychologically-based objection to homosexuality, they should not be in this article. -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 04:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Agree with SatyrTN and David Shankbone. The Catholic Church has no standing in this article, as they are not a medically or psychologically qualified organization. The changes made by two anon editors should be discussed first, or even better, discussed on the talk page of Religion and homosexuality, or in one of the other religion and homosexuality related articles, where it belongs. Also, please do not engage in an edit war, as that is disruptive behavior and officially disallowed. — Becksguy ( talk) 05:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Unless there is a parallel discussion of heterosexuality and psychology, and/or the change of the title to Psychology of sexual orientation. If homosexuality is psychologized and medicalized, it stands to reason that so should heterosexuality, especially compulsory or exclusive heterosexuality. Haiduc ( talk) 14:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Freud considered homosexuality a perversion and sign of problems, so what Merlino said is not accurate. -- 198.51.130.254 ( talk) 22:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Much of this article discusses how homosexuality was viewed before the 1973 removal from the DSM, but hardly any time was spent on how it is currently viewed in the psychological world. I wrote a section that discusses this view. I said it included biological and hormonal influences, together with environmental, but focused on the environmental causes of homosexuality since that has more to do with psychology and there is already a page on the biological causes. Everything I wrote was directly from sources published by the major psychological societies. Most of the text was taken directly from Homosexuality#Environment. And yet, it was reverted as "vandalism." I have restored it, but could we discuss why it was marked as vandalism? Joshuajohanson ( talk) 17:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Kairos ( talk) 11:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
While I agree there is a lot to cover besides malleability, malleability needs to be covered and four lines is not unreasonable. About the causes of homosexuality, you said covering the part about distant fathers and overbearing mothers gave it undue weight because it was only covered in one study, but the source wasn't even the Taiwanese study, but these studies: Bell, Weinberg, & Parks, 1981; Bieber et al., 1962; Braatan & Darling, 1965; Brown, 1963; Evans, 1969; Jonas, 1944; Millic & Crowne, 1986; Nicolosi, 1991; Phelan, 1993; Biggio, 1973; Seutter & Rovers, 2004; Siegelman, 1974; Snortum, 1969; Socarides, 1978; West, 1959. I don't think one sentence covering 15 studies is UNDUE weight. The Taiwanese study is more modern, and more generic (paternal care rather than specifically distant fathers), and is completely inline with modern psychology that points to environmental influences as a cause. Also, I think the distinction between anti-gay and homophobic is important. It seems to me that you just want to remove stuff that you disagree with. Joshuajohanson ( talk) 21:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Kairos ( talk) 07:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Kairos ( talk) 07:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
There were several concepts that were removed or changed without explanation, . Joshuajohanson ( talk) 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
That statement is a lie. Were are already talking about that is the above section. There is not need for a new one. Kairos ( talk) 08:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any rebuttal or further explanation as to why you think all mention of research on the affect of family dynamics on the development of homosexuality should be censored from the article? Your explanation that it should be removed because homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness and that the psychological community no longer thinks it is caused by overbearing mothers has no relevance since the removed sections don't even mention either of your objections. Likewise your objection of them being old studies is confusing since the studies are very recent, one from last year and another from 2004. If you have no relevant objections, I will put it back in the article. Joshuajohanson ( talk) 20:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm putting in a request/needs an experts attention notice at the top page of the Article. This is part of an effort to avoid a pointless revert war that were almost in now... Kairos ( talk) 09:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The American Psychiatric Association published a position statement on sexual orientation. Among other things it stated, it also talked about the malleability of homosexuality stating:
I summarized this by stating:
This was changed to:
I have problems with this change for several reasons.
I took out my wording and put in a direct quote from the APA so as to avoid misinterpretation, however that was reverted. Can you please justify each of the changes you made from the original source? Joshuajohanson ( talk) 19:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I've been adding a bunch of short citations. The full citations are in the back of Sandfort, T; et al. Lesbian and Gay Studies: An Introductory, Interdisciplinary Approach. It's my intention to enter the full citations once after the article has filled out a bit and stabilized. Fireplace ( talk) 20:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
This was moved without discussion to Psychological views of homosexuality. The article is more broad than just views on homosexuality. It also includes research in the area. For example "gay men are more likely to be out to friends and siblings than co-workers, parents, and more distant relatives" isn't how psychology views homosexuality, but a result from a study. Also, therapies like gay affirmation therapy isn't a view either. Joshuajohanson ( talk) 20:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I tend to agree with BG, but not with the move. The title is Psychology and Homosexuality, so I would expect this to treat what psychology has to say about homosexuality - not what psychologists and psychiatrists have to say about conversion therapy, nor psychoanalytic and psychotherapeutic approaches to sexual orientation/identity dysphoria. This should cover what the discipline says about the phenomenon, theories about etiology, the mechanisms that give rise to dysphoria (ego-dystonic sexual orientation), fluidity and malleability - the stuff psychologists deal with, like what happens when they remove female rats ovaries in-utero and give them androgens, and how those rats mount male rats that had their testes removed in-utero and are injected with oestrogens, how the female rats do masculine behaviour and vice-versa, and how they extrapolate this stuff to humans. Perhaps Psychology of homosexuality would be a more accurate title - but whatever you call it all this stuff about conversion therapy belongs somewhere else - psychologists views of conversion therapy - or psychological views of SOCE? It is off-topic. Mish ( talk) 22:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Psychotherapy aimed at helping lesbian, gay, and bisexual clients who are unhappy with their sexual orientation is now absent from this section. I do not think it is NPOV to talk about therapy aimed at helping lesbian, gay, and bisexual clients who are happy with their sexual orientation, but not therapy to help those who are not. Both points of view should be respected. I suggest we write a section summarizing ego-dystonic sexual orientation, discussing the different approaches and resources available to help those with ego-dystonic sexual orientation. It does not need to be as long as the deleted section, nor does it need to focus solely on SOCE or CT. I think alternative approaches are more valuable. Joshuajohanson ( talk) 20:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
I have some major problems with the organization. The whole structure relies heavily on Sandfort's listing of the five categories of research. While it was probably a good categorization for his book, it doesn't seem evident that he meant those categorizations to be exclusive, nor that this was the only way to categorize homosexuality and psychology. Having a fixed list seems to make it so that this is the only way to categorize homosexuality. Specifically I think psychotherapy has a lot to do with psychology. I also don't like the bullet structure. I think there should be a category for fluidity of sexual orientation, another for sexual orientation identity development, another one for stress associated with homosexuality. I would also like to see the therapy section expanded to include sexual orientation identity exploration and reconstruction. Joshuajohanson ( talk) 22:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The article Homosexuality is undergoing revision. The revised version is available in the sandbox and the project documentation and coordination is taking place in the Sandbox's talk page.
I would appreciate if people joined in. I'm currently looking towards forming a team for the revision and future maintenance of this article.
Thank you, Pdorion ( talk) 08:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.67.4.98 ( talk) 14:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
This article, "Homosexuality and psychology", at time of writing (2011-04-05) is currently just about "Homosexuality and American psychology". It's a pretty cut-and-dry case for a "Globalize/USA" box.
Consider the second paragraph:
That's it. No mention of whether about the same thing was happening in a dozen different countries, or whether the APAs were a decade ahead, or behind, corresponding groups in other countries. And so on, for the whole rest of the article. Because all organizations discussed are American, the reader will infer (correctly or not) that the studies and numbers are, by default, American.
(For example, and not to be sarcastic, but I have a feeling that when there's the paragraph contrasting caucasian vs black suicide rates, I must not assume that these numbers have been derived from studies in Japan. So,... Wales? South Africa?)
In an attempt to prevent misinterpretation: I do not (at all!) mean that this article's topic, or even the concepts in it, are USA-specific. But instead, note the wording, emphasis mine:
Here's hoping that people can add some non-USA data, and label which countries are being talked about and when, so we can see similarities and differences between how homosexuality and psychology relate in many different societies. -- Sean M. Burke ( talk) 12:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
A new study conducted by Mark Regnerus, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Texas has revealed, among other things, that 40% of children (aged 18 to 39) whose parents are homosexual have had an affair while married or cohabiting, compared to only 13% of children from heterosexual families. It also showed that 23% of children whose parents are lesbian or gay have been touched sexually by a parent or an adult, compared to 2% of children from heterosexual families, and that 31% of them have had sex against their will, compared to 8% from heterosexual families. The study stresses, however, that it would be wrong to conclude from its data that the abuser was necessarily one of the parents, or that the abuse had anything to do with the parent's sexual orientation. The study also shows that 12% of those with lesbian parents and 24% of those with homosexual fathers have considered suicide, compared to 5% of those from heterosexual families. Children with homosexual parents are also more than twice as likely to be in therapy "for a problem connected with anxiety, depression or relationships" - 19% of children compared to 8% of children from heterosexual families. Furthermore, 20% of children with lesbian parents and 25% of children with homosexual fathers have had a sexually transmitted disease, compared to 8% of children from heterosexual families. 28% of children with lesbian parents and 20% of children with homosexual fathers are currently unemployed compared to 8% of children from heterosexual families. Adult children with homosexual parents are also more likely to smoke marijuana and to get arrested.
Due to the findings, it is very controversial, and that is why my edit here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Homosexuality_and_psychology&diff=497579176&oldid=497039907 and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=LGBT_parenting&diff=497585303&oldid=497583187 has been undone, simply because another user disagreed and claimed the study is: "widely criticized and flawed." Criticized by whom? It is a new study, nobody had yet written an article debunking it. Flawed according to whom? Your personal opinion? That is not a reason to vandalise the article and undo my edit.
The study is published and available here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610
The fact that this is not allowed on the article prior a "discussion" is unfair. What difference does it make? They are findings from a study; how could a "talk" about it make any difference? Do we have to come to an "agreement" to put this information into the article itself? And if we don't, we will just ignore it and purposely leave the study out of the article, because somebody's opinion about it disagrees? This is not objective and completely unprofessional, not to mention biased. This is nothing more than intentionally leaving a study out of the article because somebody disagrees with the findings.
There is no valid, honest, objective reason to remove this information from the article, yet I was forced to open a "talk" about it because of no other reason than somebody not liking the results of the study. This is unacceptable, yet here I am anyway, opening a "talk" about it. So, what is there to discuss? Your opinion disagreeing with the results? That is not a reason and is completely subjective. In other words, it is irrelevant. There is absolutely nothing to talk about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.142.23.111 ( talk) 18:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Zad
68
18:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)I have some proposed changes/ additions to the page. I'm interested in adding a section on the historical evolution of how Psychology as a field has approched homosexuality. Here is an outline of my proposed additions, and I welcome comments or suggestions as a new used and someone hoping to contribute to this page!
The new section would be titled Historical Background and I'd like to discuss some major theorists such as Freud and Psychoanalysts, Havelock Ellis and Alfred Kinsey and what their approaches contributed to psychology and homosexuality. Also, I'd like to talk about some Major studies in history such as Hookers’ 1957 study the history of homosexuality in the DSM and its removal in 1973 Hgodfrey8 ( talk) 15:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
GAH! we get an endless supply of anon edits that are crap. No offense to any unregistered peoples who have actually contributed, but your outnumbered by a gazzillion to one. While this article has some problems, it doesn't help to have to keep reverting idiotic crap. How do we request that? Kairos ( talk) 08:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Zad
68
13:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)The most important part of the article is completely neglected. Why has nobody added any theories for the etiology of homosexuality yet? For starters, you could add Daryl Bem's "Exotic Becomes Erotic" theory. I'd do it myself but I'm new and I don't know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeeBonolo ( talk • contribs) 17:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Kairos ( talk) 03:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
"Homosexuality is as normal as S&M". Wow...just wow. I don't know what you mean by "normal" (normal in a moral sense, normal in the sense of how many are homosexual etc. ((Which wouldn't matter anyway, since the only "real" occation homosexuality would not be normal is when it comes to certain religious morals, but religious "morals" are not because of rational reasons and might even be immoral in many cases, so i take the liberty of ignoring "normal" in that sense)) but that was the most ignorant piece of crap i've read this week. If your reasons claiming that homosexuality is abnormal are actually scientific, i'd be very much interested to see that material, as it is unheard of. If it's on a religious basis though, say so and i'll save us both some time by not starting/countinuing a futile debate. A third possibility is that what you said was just poorly worded, in that case you have my apologies. *Sigh* AIKÄRBÄST ( talk) 21:28, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section on the question whether homosexuality is a mental illness? I realise mainstream Western psychiatry says it isn't, but that wasn't always the case, and psychiatry in some countries still holds that homosexuality is an illness. As this is therefore a valid debate, shouldn't there be a section on this? JohnC ( talk) 09:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the title of the page may be misleading. I had expected to find information about psychological theories for homosexuality, but found that the information was more founded in popular psychology. Perhaps a more s scientific approach would be helpful. EBL 18:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellie bl ( talk • contribs)
I am reading the above and it is factually incorrect. Regnerus studied heterosexual couples where one parent had a dalliance with a gay paramour. Moreover, their children where aware of the extramarital affair since the information comes from now grown children. In other words, Regnerus studied dysfunctional families. Regnerus in an interview with the NY Times said that the had to compare apples to oranges due to a lack of oranges. The intense criticism is a result of making sweeping claims without studying any people who were raised by gay couples.
Regnerus is a zealous Catholic convert and this study was funded mostly by Witherspoon Institute which is, essentially an Opus Dei organization. As a federal judge in Michigan noted, the funder wanted a result and Regnerus obliged. The intent of this study was to influence the Supreme Court in advance of United States v. Windsor. It did not. David Cary Hart ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Homosexuality and psychology. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.glad.org/uploads/docs/cases/2009-11-17-doma-aff-lamb.pdfWhen you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 13:51, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Homosexuality and psychology. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 23:10, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 5 external links on Homosexuality and psychology. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 13:56, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Asukite: can you please rollback to the last edit by Uelly? The previous unidentified editor has used no sources. Freud based all of his theories on 8 cases. I suspect the editor to be a recently banned subscriber to Freuds theories, rearing his ugly head on WP again. Sxologist ( talk) 02:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Oops! I suppose I could have looked closer. Thanks for the input, I'm by no means an expert but the edit seemed fishy. A S U K I T E 02:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello again. As my edit was reverted, I wanted to leave a snippet from my talk page message to the IP editor 103.67.157.126 explaining the rationale for my content removal, as this may help future discussion: After a review of the source material in question ("The Freud Encyclopedia: Theory, Therapy, and Culture" by Eward Erwin, pg. 258) I am able to verify that the material which was removed was indeed present in the source; however, as this article is about the topic of Homosexuality and Psychology in general, and as Freud's work, though notable, is not necessarily authoritative or well-accepted on the topic, I will still agree that the material in question does not belong in the article. A S U K I T E 14:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Opodisadly.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 23:49, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 January 2019 and 25 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sydlieberman.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 22:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)