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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is about a video game and not "web content" as described in
WP:WEB, specifically: "Any content accessed via the internet and engaged with primarily through a web browser is considered web content for the purposes of this guideline.", and the footnote to that statement: "Content distributed primarily through the web which does not fall under this definition should be considered a product, for which see Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations)". Clearly a video game is a product for the purposes of
WP:WEB. --carelesshxtalk16:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)reply
I have removed the proposed deletion tag added by @
Winged Blades of Godric:. I believe the game satisfies the requirements for notability described in
WP:NSOFT, although I'm not convinced those guidelines are suitable for video games but that's another matter. The game is available on Steam and GOG.com and has roughly 30,000 sales on Steam at time of writing. It has been reviewed on PCGamer and Rock Paper Shotgun, respected PC gaming websites. Its upcoming Switch release has been covered on multiple websites and it has an entry on the Nintendo e-shop. Coverage of the PC release has been small, probably because it is an indie game that has come out of kickstarter; it is likely that the game will get more coverage once the Switch version approaches release. In any case, per
WP:NSOFT, non-notability is not considered sufficient sole grounds for deletion. I would suggest that the proposer actually present a case for deletion before proposing deletion of this article for a third time. I will try and improve this article at some point but not right now as I have to go out. carelesshxtalk18:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)reply
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Careless hx: When it's very obvious from context, we don't need to write it - of course the logo is for Hollow Knight (what else would a logo in the Hollow Knight article's infobox be for?), and unless there is a reason to believe it might be unofficial, the word "official" does not add anything.--
IDVtalk08:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Fair enough. Taking that argument to its logical conclusion, the image doesn't need a caption at all, so I've removed it. FWIW I think it was valid to label it as official, since the image was at one point replaced with an unofficial fanart version of the logo, but I take your larger point. carelesshxtalk09:25, 24 July 2017 (UTC)reply
I have corrected some edits that have added dates in MDY format, and reverted a couple of edits where dates in DMY format have been changed to MDY format. Let me explain my reasons for doing so, and why I don't believe the date format in the article should be changed to MDY format. While either date format is acceptable according to
MOS:DATEFORMAT, there are reasons to prefer one format over another.
MOS:DATEUNIFY
states that date formats should be consistent within an article, which is why I have corrected inconsistencies.
MOS:DATERET states that if an article has evolved to use a particular format, that format should bne retained. Additionally, "The date format chosen by the first major contributor in the early stages of an article should continue to be used, unless there is reason to change it based on strong national ties to the topic or consensus on the article's talk page". The article was created with DMY dates and includes
Template:Use_dmy_dates, indicating that DMY dates should continue to be used. Finally,
MOS:DATETIES states that the date format used should respect national ties. Hollow Knight is made by an Australian development studio, and Australia uses DD-MM-YYYY as its date format. Finally finally, although it's not (or is no longer) explicitly stated in the MOS, users should not make large edits to an article where changing date formats is the only contribution of that edit. carelesshxtalk00:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The article didn't technically have a consistent format, there were bad date formats in there that I fixed in my most recent revision. But fair enough, if you think it's better this way, we can keep the DMY format.
CurlyWi (
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00:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Prep-posing Removal of Issues
As of September 9th 2018 I have edited the plot section of this page and would like to suggest the removal of the issues summary may be too long or excessively detailed and contains original research. I do not see fit to remove them myself as they were my own edits and bias may inaccurately reflect my decision to remove them. Regardless, I believe the edits at the very less aide in these issues presented and would like the communities input and opinion before taking action.
Precomplete (
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19:58, 12 September 2018 (UTC)reply
The charms in this game make exploring and trying the new charms you find exiting. Just exploring the open world and seeing all the things you could collect makes it feel, beautiful, in a way. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
24.88.249.48 (
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13:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I feel like it would be good to mention that if you die when your shade is still not defeated you will be unable to get the geo back that was held by your shade. — Preceding
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Broken Bakk (
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15:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for
GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.
If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)
I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.
Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski(
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Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.
Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities ...
Comment: I understand your point here, but arguably the two most unique things about Hollow Knight are it's boss design and various abilities you unlock. They're integral to the progression of the story and are some of the game's main features, which I assume is why they were included in the lede in the first place.―
TunaNoSurprisesPlease21:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
The game continues from the last visited bench they sat on which are scattered throughout the game world and act as save points. Initially the player can only use Soul to "Focus" and regenerate masks, but as the game progresses players unlock several offensive spells, which consume Soul.
If the player defeats the final boss of the game, called "The Hollow Knight", they are given access to a mode called "Steel Soul". In this mode, dying is permanent, and if the Knight loses all of their masks, the save slot will be reset.
Equipping a charm takes up a certain number of limited slots, called notches. Wearing a charm that requires more than the available number of notches is possible, but it results in being "overcharmed", causing the Knight to receive double damage from all sources.
Comment: I've read through the plot section several times now and pretty much all of the information is relevant to the game. The only thing that I would consider removing are the two paragraphs on the endings of the game, as they are arguably the most vital aspects of someone's playthrough, but I will look into shortening them. ―
TunaNoSurprisesPlease16:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
WP:VG/PLOT states that for expansions, plot summaries of no more than 300 words per content should be presented in the main plot section, or as an additional sub-section. Currently, the article's main plot section is less than 700 characters, and the two expansions are both subsections with less than 300 words. Isn't this fine? ―
Levi_OPTalk15:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)reply
The game, considered "not very good", used to hold a 1/5 star rating on Newgrounds[2] but has since increased to 4/5.[11] - where you have a citation in the middle of the sentence, you can probably move to the end of the sentenceBest Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
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Question: @
Lee Vilenski: Considering that these are all references that are also used in other parts on the page, I don't know how bundling them will work. The way bundling is described makes it seem like it's only for multiple references, where this is the first instance of those references and they're all contributing to the same sentence. I think I've seen on other pages that they include a note that has all the references in it without any text, but I don't know if that is standard practice. Could I do something like {{multiref|<ref name="Destruct"/>|<ref name="NLiferev"/>|<ref name="NWRrev"/>|<ref name="PCPPrev"/>|<ref name="VGrev"/>}}? Thanks, ―
Levi_OPTalk16:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Browsing around articles I happened to stumble on just what I'm talking about. The
notes in Veteran (JPEGMafia album) include notes that are just multiple references without any text. They're using {{efn}} with all of the references. Pending approval: I'm going to do this for now, let me know if it's incorrect. ―
Levi_OPTalk18:39, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment: I've emailed Team Cherry to ask them to upload a photo for this article, but there aren't any free use images that would fit this purpose elsewhere on the internet. ―
TunaNoSurprisesPlease01:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Critics recognized the combat system as simple,[29][30] unsurprising[5] or nuanced;[33] they praised its responsiveness, or "tightness", similarly to the movement system. - probably needs to be expanded to say who said what. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
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Comment: I changed the wording of it, but since the details of each publication's reviews are expanded upon later in the section, a general overview of what critics generally agree on without explaining who used each word is not harmful to the article. Plus, if someone does want to see which source each word came from, then they can just click on the reference.―
TunaNoSurprisesPlease20:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
The quotes all seem a bit long. Can we condense? For example: "Charms offer a huge variety of upgrades ... Some charms ... were so essential that removing them felt like trading a part of myself for a better chance at an upcoming battle." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
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Comment: His first review on PC Gamer is mentioned, then his IGN review in the next paragraph, and finally the same PC Gamer review is mentioned. I would assume it's like this because the first paragraph is talking about general game thoughts, where the second paragraph goes into more specifics. This could be clarified if it's a huge issue. ―
Levi_OPTalk17:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)reply
I had a quick scan of the article, and some of the prose seems to be sorely lacking, especially in the Plot section. I think the GA reviewer was a bit too hasty with passing the article, and I think the following need to be addressed or else a GAR may be needed :
Citations are needed in some of the plot section for verification
Reliance needs to be reduced on "The Making of Hollow Knight" for development details. Perhaps another technology site?
Gameplay expansions and plot need to be separated and listed in separate sections.
I don't think any of these things are really actionable. We don't cite plot sections, a site about the creation of a game seems like a superb source, and the sections for plot are already in different sections, are they not? The article currently meets how our MOS works. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
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Good point on the plot section. I was just thinking that since the plot is so implicative that some resources would be needed. I guess it meets MOS though.
CollectiveSolidarity (
talk) 13:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC) Checked
WP:VG/PLOT and sources are indeed needed for interpretational plots. I will deposit some of them in the article.
CollectiveSolidarity (
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19:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Potential New Infobox Image
The current image in the infobox (
File:Hollow Knight cover.jpg) is a relatively small file that doesn't seem to be used anywhere besides this Wikipedia page. I believe there are numerous other images that could be used, like the one on
the steam page that are better quality and fall under fair use. However, before changing it, I'd like some input from other editors. Thanks. ―
TUNA×13:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Soulslike should be removed from the gameplay section in the page. "Hollow Knight is a 2D side-scrolling Metroidvania game..." reads a lot better without the use of another piece of added jargon.
I agree with this. Soulslike is way too niche of a piece of jargon for the general public, especially since there is evidence against using the term. Metroidvania kind of stretches it, but it has been so widely publicized that it's worth keeping in.
OutlawRun (
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19:12, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Metroidvanias like Castlevania were mentioned as heavily inspiring the Hollow Knight development. Additionally, for soulslike, read the Gameplay section in the article. All of the elements it mentions are key parts of the game. ―
TUNA×22:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)reply
as it stands, it seems the article ended in "the critics say it, but the devs don't mention it"
i think it being mentioned in the reception is cool and good, but don't think it warrants the category
The introduction states that the player characters name is the Knight, which is not confirmed. The main character doesn't have a confirmed name, most characters in the game refere to it as "Little shadow" or "Vessel" or something in line of that. I suggest to changing the text from "The player controls the Knight, an insectoid..." to "The unnamed main character controled by the player, is an insectoid..." sorry for any mistakes
Kamnse (
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03:31, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply