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This spot was certainly not scripted. On his recent DVD he says 'the cage ripping and giving way was a complete suprise to both of us'. In his 2nd book, he states that the chokeslam itself was planned, but nobody expected the roof to give way. He also says it nearly ended his career. And furthermore, just look at the damage it did! I know Foley is nuts, but I don't think even he would agree to doing that spot, especially just a few minutes after going off the cage. He repeated it at NWO 2000, but that was into a softer ring which was rigged to collapse, and was therefore far less dangerous.
Thoughts?
Hmm, why would it be scripted. As if Foley's going to say "Hey Mark, once youve thrown me off the cell, I really dont think i'll be battered enough, so why don't you put me through it too." I mean come on, have some common sense. K-man-1 17:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Why is the article "Hell in the Cell" now? I've NEVER heard it referred to as that.
I feel that the 30-foot tall Cell used in the first ever Handicap "Hell in a Cell" match between Vince&Shane McMahon and the Extreme Giant the Big Show versus Degeneration-X, Triple H and Shawn Michaels looked absolutely ridiculous.
It was obvious from the beginning that no action would be conducted atop the infamous structure because a fall from that height would probably kill whichever competitor was involved.
I also feel that "Hell in the Cell" matches should only be used after long feuds; for example HBK and HHH or McMahons and DX, because it is a match which should not be entered into lightly.
One final point on "Hell in the Cell" matches; I feel that the original ones involving Mankind, HHH, Undertaker,ect. were much more exciting and I wish that these matches could revert to their old quality and appeal.
yes that is the point, but it adds something else that the "sports entertainers" can use to their advantage like TAKER v FOLEY. And anyway there is steel cage matches for the nowhere to run part. THE CELL is meant to be used to settle big feuds(see above), so it doesn't defeat the purpose of THE CELL.
1: Please sign your comments people. 2 To whoever started this discussion the new Cell was (I think most people would agree) created because it was almost impossible to execute airal moves from the top rope inside the original cell (eg Orton had trouble with his splash in HC 13). With the new design that is fixed and they'll now be able to use the smaller ladders properly with top of ladder moves being used. In short the new cell gives the competitors more options in what they're going to do inside the cell (which may have bee the reason they used the top of the old cell a lot) thus making it more exciting.
Also times have changed so that it's no longer accepted to have wrestlers taking bumps from the height of the original cell without some kind of strong padding to break their fall at ringside (eg Taker's fall at Armageddon 06).
Night Bringer 19:14, Feb 17 2007 (GMT +10).
Hello. I am the person which instigated this discussion. I now realise that there are many benefits of the new "Hell in a Cell" Cell and that my previous quibbles were slightly flawed. I would now like to see WWE compete with TNA on certain weapons orientated matches, for example Money-in-the-Bank Ladder Match at Wrestlemania inside the Cell. Signed: Dxmember619 20/04/07
Um, no. It's completely different from a steel cage match, as the WWE freqently reminds us. Keep it as a seperate article. Helltopay27 15:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
KEEP. Anyone who has seen a Hell in a Cell match knows it is not a cage match. Not only is it a kind of match that only the top performers get involved in (Hell in a Kennel notwithstanding) but there are a select few of them, and fewer people who have participated in them. And, because it is rare, and because it is (for lack of a better term) branded, the performers will do things to each other in the Cell that they'd never risk in a mere cage match. The difference is more than the roof and the floor. The difference is also the history of the Hell in a Cell matches, the expectations from the crowd, and the delivery of the performer. This contributor had the opportunity to see a Hell in a Cell match live, and some of the people in the crowd flew in from Japan, England, and Austrilia specifically for the match. They never would have done that for a cage match. And, I think that people looking for information on Hell in a Cell on Wikipedia wouldn't be satisfied with a parragraph or two packaged into another article. Thenodrin —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Keep the article. Sundogs Wikia UserPage | Roller Derby Wiki 20:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
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Before I dive in and start editing like a fiend, does anyone else think that the "Background" section currently blurs the line between real-life and fictional (or, in this case, "kayfabe") events? Given that the entry deals with a style of gimmick match in pro wrestling in which the "legit" nature of some significant incidents is debated, should we not try to maintain as much clarity between the "legit" and the "kayfabe"? The bullet-pointed run-through of ways in which the cell has been breached currently seems to offer little distinction between the two, aside from the observation that one referee injury was "legit". Well, that's my first ever Wikipedia Talk entry... now, where's that tilde button...?
PedantKing 16:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Does each match and its buildup really need to be gone into in such detail? It also 'blurs the line between real-life and fictional' as mentioned above. 81.145.240.52 20:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, anyone else think the "description" of the Undertaker/Batista match should be changed/removed? As has been said 1000 times, this place isn't a wrestling news site, if ya want that, go to WZ or something. Taker04 13:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Who deleted the match history for this? Someone please change it back. Mark handscombe 14:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Do you think a section should be added with a history with all the Hell in a Cell matches? a couple of them are mentioned in the article, but it may help to flesh the article out Lynx Raven Raide 09:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
we need some pictures that show some of the matches that happen or even the HiTC itself SocialistRevolution 23:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the article for the SS HIAC is awful, it doesn't read professionally and sounds like it's being commentated. Plus, it has pretty much every move that happened. Don't suppose anyone can revert it back to the original text it had? 217.42.3.211 15:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
This is a redundant article to have, this is nothing more than a big cage (with "OMG!" a roof) around a ring. This match is like a Steel Cage and can be toned down to about a paragraph to discuss it's features in professional wrestling match types. The other things on this page are trivial and not needed, listing every Hell in a Cell match is like listing every Steel Cage match, as this is also a common match.-- S R X 14:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I propose this. Keep the article. Make it a list. Rename it List of Hell in a Cell matches, and also mention the Hell in a Cell match in the Professional Wrestling Match Types. Feed back ☎ 17:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Keep It is a very well known type of match and deserves its own article. 207.69.140.23 ( talk) 16:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Keep, as this match has made history (Foley-Taker for those keeping score at home :), not just a cage with a roof ( OMGWTFBBQ) slapped on. CJ Miller. ( That's my name. Don't wear it out.) 23:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Keep, you dont see the Elimination Chamber merged into that article, do you? -- Harvey "Two-Face" Dent ( Muhaha!!) 16:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
How about we create a Steel Cage page, or Enclosure-Based match page which can then feature Cage matches, HiaC, Elimination Chamber, WarGames, Thundercage &c and discuss them at greater length than they do on the match types page but also can reduce the amount of needless articles on what is essentially variants on the same concept. Tony2Times ( talk) 16:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC) Keep-- Degenerate-Y ( talk) 19:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Keep the article. Sundogs Wikia UserPage | Roller Derby Wiki 20:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Guys, this is not a Steel Cage, this is Hell in a Cell. It's nothing like a Steel Cage, other than it's made of steel, that's it. Hell in a Cell is a completely different monster. You can win the match by escaping the Steel Cage, if you escape Hell in a Cell, it only gets worse, because you climb to the top and there are only 3 ways down: through the cell structure, off the sides: or off the sides onto the Spanish announcers Tables (or onto a Flatbed truck). And if you can still get up, TOMBSTONE PILEDRIVER, 1. 2. 3. Ring The Bell. Hell in a Cell is a living breathing beast if you've ever heard Skillet's hit song Monster (which by the way was the theme to WWE Hell in a Cell (2009). The Steel Cage is dangerous yes, but it's more for keeping out people from interfering, Hell in a Cell was designed around the flaws the Steel Cage couldn't cover. And those of you who say Hell in a Cell isn't a deadly weapon or deadly match have never seen a Hell in a Cell match.-- Nascarking ( talk) 16:28, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Can someone please cite "Heartbreak and Triumph" by Shawn Michaels and Aaron Fiegenbaum for the outside interference part of the background section first paragraph. Thanks, Genius101 Wizard ( talk) 19:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the first paragraph (referenced in the above section) needs to be fact checked. The NWA steel cage was never called "The Omni" - The Omni was an arena in Atlanta that many an NWA event took place in. In fact, there's an article on it here on Wikipedia. Stupid5pin ( talk) 03:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Does there need to be two lists? I tried to delete the second list, but don't know how. If anyonw knows, can you delete the second list? Thanks. Gibsonj338 ( talk) 03:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I think it should be taken out of the table..it wasn't even a match set up... just a teaser that failed!!-- Ruthless-paki ( talk) 22:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Where are the second and fifth Hell in a Cell matches? They need to be up there. The King Gemini ( talk) 20:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I think it was Mankind and Kane or something. I'd fix it, but I don't now how to revert and add and tamper with charts very well so I thought I'd just point this out instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.29.199 ( talk) 07:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I like hell in a cell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.217.150 ( talk) 16:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
The article is pretty much entirely unreferenced. That's an automatic fail; there should be at least one per paragraph, ideally more. In your case, next time you want to nom an article for GA status, note this over at the professional wrestling project first; they can give you some suggestions for improvement and let you know if it's ready. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)