Helen Hartness Flanders was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the
good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be
renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that
American folklorist Helen Hartness Flanders recorded, transcribed and catalogued traditional ballads from New England at a time when people were ceasing to sing them?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Roots music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to
roots,
folk and
traditional folk music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Roots musicWikipedia:WikiProject Roots musicTemplate:WikiProject Roots musicRoots music articles
This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Folklore, a
WikiProject dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of the topics of
folklore and
folklore studies. If you would like to participate, you may edit the article attached to this page, or visit the
project's page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to
discussion.FolkloreWikipedia:WikiProject FolkloreTemplate:WikiProject FolkloreFolklore articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women writers, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
women writers on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women writersWikipedia:WikiProject Women writersTemplate:WikiProject Women writersWomen writers articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the
United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
I think the main section needs to be subdivided into smaller, more manageable sections. Perhaps the text needs to be rearranged to permit that. -- Ynot?07:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)reply
The sentence: "Between 1930 and 1939, Flanders focused mostly on collecting child ballads" should be changed to "Between 1930 and 1939, Flanders focused mostly on collecting Child ballads." See Francis James Child entry in Wikipedia. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
41.210.2.223 (
talk)
13:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)reply
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
(No edit wars etc.)
It contains
images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have
fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:
Criticism:
The lead is inadequately short and doesn't effectively summarise the rest of the article, for example try and extend the lead saying something about her "legacy" and what consequence that may have had
The biographical section is very small, and is inadequate. It also doesn't effectively summarise her history, and as a GA it should be able to do this while also representing a encyclopedic view.
The format of the content in brackets is incorrect, for example (a.k.a.) should be changed to also known as or commonly known as.
I am slightly concerned about the
original research in the piece, for example, in the
Collection methodology section, there is a line which I quote, "The availability of portable recording devices was key to Flanders’s ability to collect music from singers in remote parts of New England", with no reference provided, and the next one that is, is either unavialable or obsolete.
Try and use {{
Cite web}} for references with online resources.
The images that are/were in place are too large, I've reduced the size of the one in the
collection methodology section which had no restriction in its parameter, but others may need this aswell.
Positive points
All images are appropriately captioned
All images are useful, add a signifance to the article and are tagged with fair-use rationales where applicable.
Layout and grammar is fine.
Overview
For the current revision of the page, I am, sadly, going to have fail this article. There are too many major issues with the article and letting an article pass with them would be inappropriate conduct. However, feel free to take the article to
good article reassessment, if you feel this has been the wrong decision. I do believe this will make GA one day, but not today. —
Rudgetcontributions20:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Post-GA assessment improvements
I have made the following changes, as suggested by the GA nomination reviewer.
The lead—I have lengthened it to make reference to the important aspects of
Helen Hartness Flanders's life work and to summarize the legacy to scholars and folk singers.
The biographical section—I have enhanced this to reference both to her childhood and adult life, introducing two new references: her father's biography and her husband's autobiography.
The format of the content in brackets—I have changed "a.k.a." to "also known as." I didn't notice any other abbreviated statements.
The
original research question—I added a reference for the
Collection methodology section, pertaining to "The availability of portable recording devices was key to Flanders’s ability to collect music from singers in remote parts of New England." I fixed the following and other web references, which had been revised since the article was written.
Cite web—I have used {{
Cite web}} for all references with online resources.
Image size—I have reduced the "Helen Hartness, ca. 1909 image." The others appear to be fine.
File:HHFlanders-EKF.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
An image used in this article,
File:HHFlanders-EKF.jpg, has been nominated for speedy deletion for the following reason: All Wikipedia files with unknown copyright status
What should I do?
Don't panic; you should have time to contest the deletion (although please review
deletion guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page.