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I just edited Gonzalo López de Haro and San Juan Islands with name origin info, calling Haro a "captain" under the command of Francisco de Eliza. I got this info from the book Washington State Place Names, by James W. Phillips (refs on those pages). Looking more closely at the book, it seems to refer to Haro as a "master", but also says he was the first to discover San Juan Island, which I took as meaning he was a ship captain. Anyway, I will fix my "captain" edits, but I wonder if the info on this page, about him being a "pilot" and Haro Strait being named by Quimper, could be referenced? Thanks. Pfly 19:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This was a famous tug....or barge?...or fishboat? in BC.....I think it's the one on the $5 bill, or used to be; Haro Straits (vessel) or something like that needs to be written; "heritage/historic" value. Skookum1 ( talk) 19:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC) I have first hand information concerning the tug Haro Straits.I was employed in the coastal towing industry for 40 years.Ending that career as a captain.I started in 1974 as a deckhand and like so many others ,worked my way up sailing as deckhand,mate,engineer and finally for the last 28 years as captain.The Haro Straits was a coastal tug built in 1963 of 71 gross tons.about 65 feet loa and probably about 5oo to 600 HP.She sank near Point Roberts in a violent storm February 26, 1972.at the time towing two empty wood chip barges north bound from the USA and bound for Vancouver,BC.She was salvaged and the investigation revealed all four blades on her propeller were bent causing catastrophic failure of the engine and was dragged by the barges and subsequently foundered.All 5 hands were lost.The tug was sold as a stripped out hull with wheelhouse and languished up river near mission for many years and finally in Steveston for about 5 or six years when a company I was sailing with,Mariner Towing,got the job of towing her to A shipyard in Esquimalt where she was converted to a stern dragger.This about 1985.the vessel on the Five dollar bill is a seiner.I think it was owned by a First Nations skipper from Quadra Island,BC.She was named BCP45 and was built for BC Packers.Now restored and on display in Campbell River at the Heritage centre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:72B1:2B00:394C:836B:DFE7:4337 ( talk) 04:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
That's so good I'm going to have to send it into Monday (Victoria's Georgia Straight equiv). A snitch, ass snitch, read it as you want. And yeah, must be a typo. Can you give me the link/cite for that? Skookum1 ( talk) 23:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
One tweak - add at least Rosario Strait, if not in colour then by name, and probably the names on Saltspring and Mayne. I'm gonna go look at Basemap about that northward bulge on your Haro Strait blue area; those all have individual channel names I think, I'll see; don't forget Canadian definitions may differ from USGS ones, also, though I don't know if these are detailed-out in GeoNames or BCGNIS in the same way. The same map, maybe plus Point Roberts/Boundary Bay, and showing both main boundary lines, maybe two of the minor ones, would be great illustration for the Pig War and an improvement on what's there now. This is pretty nifty. Do you think you could cook one up for the Broughton Archipelago and the Discovery Islands, or does your database not go up there? BTW re the inline comment, the treaty said the deepest channel out; when hydrography got far advanced that turned out to be Active Pass; the Emperor didn't decide on that basis anyway; San Juan Island itself was the crux of the argument, all British proposals tried to keep it, though one US counter-proposal tried to take Saturna and Pender, or Mayne too maybe....~ Counterproposal, all a card game/ bluff like the reach-far-beyond-what's-reasonable grandstanding on the oregon boundary disputee....worked both times too. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I used "fishboat" there because I think t here's yet a major/famous barge of the same name....anyway, did find something, though not a news article; the owner of the one site would proably agree to pd-ify one of his images. The one is from teh provincial hansard from Monday Feb 12, 1973 - here and you have to search "Haro" to find the passage:
The windbag whose speech (very long speech) that occurs in the middle of is Pat McGeer, a brilliant but oh-so-eccentric research scientist from UBC who wound up in cabinet with car dealers and real estate flim flam men....he's taking on Dave Stupich, Minister of Agriculture under Dave Barrett; fun times in the House, let me assure you (right-wing nutbars squaring off with diehard commies....very entertaining...)....McGeer is one of the long-standing proponents of the Georgia Strait Bridge idea, and at one time sold plans (which worked) for how to make a satellite dish out of two big pieces of plywood using a jigsaw...anyway before I get into a political bio on the McGeer family (see Gerry McGeer)...suffice to say that if Pat were alive (or not senile, if he's still alive) he'd be against Global Warming...either that or promoting it asa good thing..., here's the other link - once again, search for "Haro" on the page - and its text:
Knew it had something to do with fish....I remember the sinking though (I was in 1st year UBC then), and the issue of snags adn driftwood making the Straits unsafe; this during a period when hydrofoils were being considered for use in the area (they're useful in similar waters in Norway because there's no snags/driftwood - no forests, or waht gets cut is severely regulated). The one picture I'm going to link here because the guy's HTML is flawed (a file:/// link....) and also because it's the best shot; and I'm gonna have to go look up the old $5 bill, I think this is the boat, as t he angle of this picture reminds me.... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed this comment in the text: "the British thought they had it sealed at Rosario, as Haro wasn't really on British/US maps in 1846 (thanks to Spanish naval secrecy); by 1859 it was, and the Americans pressed for a more advantageous boundary than was perceived possible beforehand...have to locate the passage/cite for this then will add as appropriate." Because while the Spanish did practice secrecy to some degree, they gave Vancouver maps and information about essentially all they knew in this region (Galiano gave him several maps that show and label Haro Strait). Vancouver incorporated this information into this maps and reports. The "Hayes atlas" has two of Vancouver's maps that show Haro Strait quite clearly, with the name "Canal de Arro" (presumably an English spelling of Haro). These maps were among the final ones made, included in major publications available to the world. Of course it is still possible the Americans were unaware of the strait, but I felt I should edit the comment wrt Spanish secrecy. I couldn't figure out how to edit out the first part without destroying the whole point, so I just moved it here. Pfly ( talk) 05:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I was meaning, in my edit/emendation, that the perspective of the time, the nautical persepctive, and also the contemoprary reality in an age when the natural sciences, specifically geology, were in raw infancy and couldn't have known anything about the geological differences, otehr than observing different kidns of rock...is taht they were one archipelago; unless Vancouver distinguihsed the San Juans as an archipelago; certainly Douglas didn't until the shooting of that pig....when did the San Juan Islands as a term originate, I wonder? Point is when it was differentiated from the Gulf Islands, if it was; before or after the issue of the boundary, came to play, i.e. 1846. Skookum1 ( talk) 07:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Just noting the addition of GNIS/USGS coords, here are those from BCGNIS, which should be the same as in CGNDB; like many BCGNIS coords, these are rounded to the nearest minute: 48°35′00″N 123°19′00″W / 48.58333°N 123.31667°W. From "Haro Strait". BC Geographical Names.. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)