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The recently deleted edit is copied from one or more Harley Owners Group sites, which include a copyright notice for all material on the sites. It is unclear where this was originally copied from, but Wikipedia can't use it. Please do not add this copyrighted text again, and please cite reliable sources for any edits.-- Dbratland ( talk) 16:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm confused about why a disclaimer to Hells Angels is necessary at the top of the page. User:LUUSAP has added, twice, with the following rationale:
The logic is a little suspect, but who would type "HOG" or "Harley Owners Group" and be surprised it isn't the Hells Angels? Are there reliable sources discussing confusion between the two groups? Otherwise, it's just the silliest disambiguation in history. It would make sense if it said "did you mean Honda Owners Group", because that would also (theoretically) be HOG. Hells Angels doesn't have any words in common and the acronym isn't in common either. If it's because they have the Harley bikes in common, why not point to other notable groups too? It doesn't make sense as a disclaimer/top-of-page disambiguation. It might make sense as reliably-sourced text in the middle of the article, however: " 60 Minutes reports that people are being scared away by groups of bikes, even though they are just RUBs on Harleys and in a mild club, out an outlaw group like the Hells Angels." -- tedder ( talk) 08:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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help)As middle America rides and parties with the urban middle class, neither discusses the skeleton in the closet. Neither draws attention to the fact that much of the Harley mystique, most of the unwritten rules of the road, and many of the values and ideals come from the unruly and bastard parent, the outlaw club
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help)Anyhoo. This is not about confusion or overlap between the Hells Angles and the Harley Owners Group. It's about overlap and/or confusion between outlaw motorcycle clubs and Harley-Davidson partisans in general, so it doesn't belong on this page so much as on either Harley-Davidson in the culture section, or on the page Outlaw motorcycle club. Although as I just said, it is already mentioned in the lead of that article and so perhaps there is no need further belabor the point. -- Dbratland ( talk) 20:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Why should charity work done by an individual branch of the club be removed? If anything there should be more examples, supported by references, to support the assertion made in the article that HOG does work for charity. -- Biker Biker ( talk) 16:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I think that is generally in line with Wikipedia's policy on notability, and it prevents the section from growing indiscriminately. I would write it out that way: "Charity events that have received major media attention include..." and possibly add a comment asking editors not to add to it without citing significant media coverage.
There also at least a dozen marketing books published that mention HOG charity work. The HOG is included in many marketing textbooks and the charity aspect is considered an important element in Harley's groundbreaking use of the club as a marketing tool. -- Dbratland ( talk) 17:58, 16 November 2010 (UTC)