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It seems fair to include a notable players section for this this team. I am not suggesting that we include "fan favourites" but players from previous seasons who are of major importance outside of their involvement with the team seems fair. Anderson is the starting point guard on the Canadian National team, and Benoit is the head coach of a University team. It is likely that people may look to wikipedia to find out information about these two former players. 24.89.192.139 ( talk) 16:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)Chris
An anonymous user at 142.227.9.1 has added the information on the hiring of Coach Berry, and has stated--in the revision history--that my edit of today (which preceded the hiring), making the Rainmen history more concise, was partly commendable but has partly "removed important information."
In several cases, replacing the assertion that the Rainmen or Levingston announced that a policy would be adopted, I simply say that the Rainmen adopted the policy. I did indeed delete the information that the Rainmen's original location was the Northeast Division of the ABA's Blue Conference; the details of the final regular-season game of last year; and the praise given by the president of the D-League about Halifax and the Rainmen (What else is he going to say?), preferring to state his conclusion that induction wouldn't happen for at least a year.
The anonymous user has reverted all my edits to the history up to the Crookshank episode. This reinstates awkward text that I had corrected. A newspaper sports section might, but an encyclopedia ought not, have a second, flowery reference to "their inaugural season" and state not that we played a game but that we "tipped off for" a game. One outright grammatical error has been returned to the text.
There is very little reason to have reverted my edit in its entirety. Are there other users of this page who would care to weigh in? -- Spike-from-NH ( talk) 04:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
PS--I have again edited the 2007-08 history, more lightly this time; but I still think that stating which team the Rainmen beat, last year, to end a 7-game losing streak, is excessive detail; also the D-League president's praise of Halifax; and mentioning a second time the dissatisfaction for the ABA in the final paragraph. -- Spike-from-NH ( talk) 00:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
PPS--In the 2008-09 history, the anonymous user adds that the reason for Crookshank's suspension was "a series of conflicts with Coach Lewis." This was the fans' speculation. If it is a fact, it supersedes the sentence in the article that "The Rainmen did not comment on the nature of of the suspension." -- Spike-from-NH ( talk) 00:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I left the majority of your edits intact, many of which preceded the "Crookshank episode". I agreed with your restructuring of the opening paragraphs and the paring down of certain language. Those edits are still present in the article if you compare it to previous edits. However, you did eliminate some significant information. I felt it was important to keep divisional alignment, significant wins in the franchise's short history i.e. their first game, the game that snapped a losing streak that dominated much of their first season, and their final game of their season (and in the ABA) against Atlanta. I don't think that these three landmark games are excessive. Also, whether it is expected or not, I felt that Dan Reed's statement was vital to the understanding of the NBADL's decision not to expand.
A number of sentences were excessively long/complicated and need to be shortened or changed in order to form a more coherent narrative. This is also the reason that some information was reinserted. I will agree with you that mentioning dissatisfaction with the ABA for a second time is unneeded.
Also, it is never mentioned that the reason for Crookshank’s suspension was “a series of conflicts with Coach Lewis." However, the suspension did, in fact, follow (almost immediately after) these conflicts. That is a fact, not speculation. The edit does not give any reason as to why Crookshank was suspended, seeing as nothing official was confirmed. If “follow” sounds too ambiguous, perhaps another word can be used in its place. It is along these lines that I removed your previous reference to fan speculation. It just doesn't belong unless it is confirmed by other sources. So it looks like we are on the same page there. 142.227.9.1 ( talk) 16:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
PS--Do you agree that the 2009 schedule at the end of the page is excessive? It's not being updated frequently either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.227.9.1 ( talk) 16:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
The schedule certainly seems excessive given the fact that the Rainmen have an up to date website. Chris902 ( talk) 17:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
[paragraph deleted by Spike-from-NH on editing the Crookshank suspension]
Deleting the table raises a consistency issue. The articles on the other nearby PBL teams have one. Today I restored the table in the article on the Montreal Sasquatch, which someone had truncated at the point that the Sasquatch were suspended from the league. And I update the table for my team ( Manchester Millrats) faithfully, though I have condensed its format, contriving to eliminate the Home/Away column and declining to list full names when two or more players are tied for the lead in a category. I don't see much added value in the listing of top scorer/rebounder/assists. I agree that CREZ is doing a better job, and almost instantly, and that you should not have a table that is always out-of-date. The Millrats page, however, does not have a table on season-by-season record, although it is stated in the text. -- Spike-from-NH ( talk) 03:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
LightningMan's conclusion, there not being a current event page, was to restore the table to the Rainmen article. He sent to my talk page: "How about we have Halifax match the eleven other pages I take care of?" Well, that would be consistent. In case your count of eleven excludes the Manchester Millrats, which I have been doing recently, please look at my modifications (eliminating Home/Away and condensing top players) and see whether you would like to adopt these changes or whether you have a problem with my mods.
Also please monitor or join the discussion on Template talk:Player2. I have asked that there be a way, in the roster table, to inhibit the automatic assumption that the players have Wikipedia links. (The template was created for major-league sports. For the Millrats, only 6 links work and only Desmond Ferguson has his own article; the other links are incorrect.) -- Spike-from-NH ( talk) 13:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
|dab=basketball
to force the player names to become red-links when appropriate (automatically relinking if an article on the player should be created). He further proposes a code |autolink=y
that would let the page builder remove the linking rather than build a red-link. --
Spike-from-NH (
talk)
15:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)|autolink=y
and tried it out on the
Manchester Millrats article. I've applied it to the Halifax roster table. It seems that none of the Rainmen have a Wikipedia article; Bailey and Bennet have a link, but it's not them. For them, I've also added |dab = basketball
. This will automatically create a link if an article
Tony Bennet (basketball) is ever created. --
Spike-from-NH (
talk)
12:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)I have edited the article to remove almost all of the red-links. It is not doing anyone a favor to let him click on a word and be taken directly to an article that doesn't exist (even though the player may deserve one). Separately, LightningMan and I have discussed briefly the use of links to dates, but the Manual of Style, at MOS:UNLINKDATES, says "Dates (years, months, day and month, full dates) should not be linked, unless there is a reason to do so." As January 10, etc., in the game-by-game results table has no inherent relationship to all the other things that happened throughout history on January 10, I have removed these links. -- Spike-from-NH ( talk) 16:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
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