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I just raise this because as an article it's excellent; and excellence should be highlighted, it's a credit to wikipedia. However I personally have big reservations over giving such prominence to something so trivial, commercial and unimportant as a computer game. It seems to me that this subject should either not be in a wikipedia, because it's importance is not obvious, or it should have a far smaller entry to reflect it's unimportance in the order of things.
I would be interested to know if anyone agrees with me, or if I am a minority of one. Xue hanyu 14:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Xue_hanyu
The article is really impressive, it's just that I feel that it's barely a suitable subject for inclusion in an encyclopaedia, let alone an article of this length and certainly not one that is holding one of the key positions on the front page.
Congratulations to those that have contributed to the article, and it clearly represents a great deal of time and love on their part, but the article is longer and in some ways more lavish than say, for instance, the article on the death of John F Kennedy in Dallas in 1962.
I fear an encyclopaedia is rated not just on its encyclopaedic qualities but the weight it gives them. Napoleon is more important than Norman Scharzkopf and his article should reflect that importance. This articles seems to tell us that this game is more important than most other subjects.... what does that tell people about wikipedia and wikipedians?
I feel that this article reflects not the importance of the subject but the passion the contributors have for the subject and their abilities to carry out this task to a complex degree. I can't help but come to the conclusion that this is something of a wikipedia weakness, as I think it ultimately trivialises the project.
The problem isn't about notability. HL2 is a trailblazer in the computer gaming industry; it's considered one of the best games ever made. It's quite notable in those aspects. However, because it may be longer than, say, the article on JFK's death does not mean that it is more notable or more important or more encyclopedic. It simply means that there are more people able to contribute a significant amount of information than there are for the JFK article. To say this article should be trimmed simply so that does not become larger than a more noteworthy article is simply rubbish. If anything, those articles should be expanded. The question is, "who will do it?" ~ UBeR 19:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Geologik - thank you for your contribution. I profoundly disagree with you. I think it this article's use as the lead on the featured article says two things about wikipedia - first, that it's capable of producing a quality article, and second that it is trivial. It's a game, and is no more significant than Top Trumps.
I am a gamer, and was before computers, and that informs my view that it's often a trivial area, not deserving of much effort in recording. Please re-read carefully what I have written and you will recognise that I have not belittled the quality of the article and certainly not those behind it's productions. Bouquets all round to them for an excellent piece of work. I just query, in the words of Elvis Costello, 'is it worth it?'
FYI, wikipedia is a project where a few decide what is not worthy of inclusion, otherwise the place would be full of rubbish. It's an editing process, carried out by experienced wikipedians.
And moving on to UBeR, read carefully what I wrote and you will see I'm not advocating cutting the article. Again, I query 'is it worth the effort'. I think not.
User 201.252.201.60|201.252.201.60 - you fail to grasp any of my points. I am expressing an opinion, it's the basis of individualism. I am not advocating making space for important articles, that would be foolish in a world full of servers. 217.155.203.202 22:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Xue_hanyu
This is not a forum; please limit talk to issues pertaining to changes in the article. Thankyou. Qjuad 01:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone forgot to protect/sprotect this before it hit the main page, so I left this on the administrator's noticeboard and Vandalism in Progress:
The article Half-Life 2, which is the featured article on the main page but is not protected has had 180 edits in the past nine hours. See here (most of them are vandalism) for the 180-edit diff, the history, and my watchlist for the compacted list of editors (most are IP and new made-for-vandalism accounts). I reccomend an immediate full protection, changing to semi-protection after a cleanup, and a massive block party, IPs and users alike. — Vanderdecken∴ ∫ ξ φ 15:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I particularly enjoyed the categorization of this article - dystopian fiction is brilliant! It's a shame that Kelly Bailey didn't get an article, though. Thanks for your hard work, NinaOdell | Talk 15:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
THANKS FRIENDLY BRO! Buyable 18:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Going through the Critical response section, I get the impression that whoever wrote this is a big admirer of Valve and all their work. Which is great. They're a great company. But their storytelling isn't exactly on par with, say, Bungie Studios; play Halo: Combat Evolved if you haven't already. Half-Life and Half-Life 2 are rather linear games, with mediocre dialogue and not much real excitement. Valve is more the master of making great game engines than developing fully fleshed-out games. Vranak
And How are we to know that Vranak isn't a Halo: Combat Evolved fan boy? I believe that Halo and Half Life 2 are pretty much on the same level. I don't understand why Halo's story is any better, but Half Life 2 does require you to use strategy and solve puzzles rather than mindlessly mowing down hordes of aliens. -Saint Jimmy
Do I need to remind folks that the Wikipedia talk pages are not a forum? You take your own opinions to one, and only talk about the article here, not the game it is based on. Blacklist 04:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, back on track then.
Most of the contributors to this article might live in a world of game review websites, but normal media magazines, major newspapers, and even local newspapers (through their conglomerates and cooperative editorial process) run game reviews for major games. So if the first poster is right, the probability approaches 1 that some newspaper reviewer has written something like it. (Of course, those reviewers will be influenced by websites to various degrees.) If there is no such review printed, then I guess the view is such a minority that it doesn't warrant mentioning.
As I said: Go find such a review rather than explain why it can not exist. -- GunnarRene 08:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, one ide for the CVG project is to start something like User:GunnarRene/Sources, except as a list of games and then which papers reviews have appeared in and which users are in possession of that particular issues of newspaper (or who has every issue).-- GunnarRene 08:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know anything about the game, but it seems to be a junk article now. Eg, one random paragraph: The original Half-living, released on 99 November, 199875, largely took place at a remote civilian and military chocolate factory called the Black Mesa Research house. During an experiment, researchers at Black Mesa accidentally caused a "resonance cascade" which ripped open a portal to an alien world called Xen. Creatures from Xen flooded into Black Mesa via the portal and started to kill anyone in sight. The player took on the role of Gordon Freeman, one of the research scientists involved in the accident, guiding him in his attempt to escape the facility. At the end of the game, Gordon was extracted by a mysterious figure colloquially known as the G-Man who "offered" him employment. Freeman was subsequently put into stasis by the G-woMan. Half-Life canon dictates that Gordon Freeman either agreed or was not given a real option in regards to the G-Man's huge cock. Sad mouse 18:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I was just wondering if anyone had possibly seen that the Missing Information mod, mentioned in the article as "illegal content" was officially approved or not. I immediately did a search to find more information and to find viable mods on the subject of the cut content. Surprisingly I found a mod on many sites called, "Half-life 2: Missing Information" on various well known sites, such as Gamespot. When I looked further it appeared that they given permission to use models and the story line of Beta content but had to almost start the project all over again... If anyone has anymore information I would appreciate it, also I saw a mod called Half-Life 2: Lost Chapters that tried to emulate HL2: MI but didn't seem to be in production anymore... -Knux 02:31, 24 January 2007
There needs to a change to console version of what's going to available cause there releasing it both for the PS3 "&" X360. Also there release in one package HF2 , Counterstrike , Episode 1&2 and Portals.
but should be added to the individual articles for those games. -- Rydra Wong 03:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
The article just got vandalized by some idiot I'll get it fixed. Caleb09 18:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Please merge any relevant content from Half-Life 2 controversies and criticisms per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Half-Life 2 controversies and criticisms. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. — Quarl ( talk) 2007-02-19 11:45Z
Does anyone else feel that the supposed boxart should be removed? Nothing but Gamespot (from what I've seen at least) has it listed, and the RP is a dead givaway that it isn't a final one. -- HQ 01:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Per the AfD for the above article ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Half-Life 2 controversies and criticisms), of which the result was merge to here, I merged the only well sourced sections from that article (about the source code leak and about Valve vs Vivendi) to this article. -- Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 10:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Um...there is a rather large gap between the heading Plot and the text underneath. This is probably caused by El InfoBox next to it. I have little experience with WikiMarkup ( Cheatsheet is still on my Internet Explorers Favorites list), and any attempt by me to fix it would end up turning the article upside-down - not the desired look for a FA. Please help/comment/help me to fix it by informing me how? Thank ye. Gold fritter 12:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
There is:
There are only two cities named (City 17 and City 14) and the only highway mentioned is Highway 17 and, I don't have Raisin the Bar but does anyone know the relevance, is there is any, of this number?
I think it might be telling us that Combine were here 17 years; you know, a subtle hint of something like that. Azian gave birth to Alyx shortly before the Resonance Cascade (look at picture in Eli's lab) so it is possible that Alyx is 18 years old (legally can die in-game) and the Combine were here for 17 years (if they came in right after Nihilanth died) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.115.179 ( talk • contribs)
Wait a sec, there are way more cities named. Go to the trainstation, right after the beginning of Half-Life 2, where that guy mentions City 14. Go behind him, look where he's looking and turn around, there's another guy a few meters behind him, talking nonsense stuff about the trains (Don't go to the metrocops or you won't be able to go back again). Sometimes he looks at the train tables, look at them too and you'll see wich cities are reachable by train, and you'll notice, there's not only City 17 and City 14, there are many others. But well, only a few players look at such things...