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Just a little new flash; it appears that HIT has a new logo (not the one that we see at the end of all its shows). I found this out after looking at a press release about the Tenth Season of
Thomas and Friends. Could we please put this one up?
ohyeh15:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Also, their list of shows/licenses is located at
http://www.hitentertainment.com/hitcatalogue/, and as far as I'm aware Postman Pat is wholly owned by Entertainment Rights, not in partnership with Hit!
Two New Shows Added
I added Wishbone to their list of shows. It is now on HiT's webpage. I also added Shining Time Station because Tugs and Shining Time Station are shows HiT has rights to.
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Comment. If the "non-standard, official" spelling is "HiT" (which I believe is uncontroversial), then I would have thought we would default to "Hit" rather than "HIT". Why would we choose all caps instead of "regular" typeface capitalization? All caps would seem to be an exception to the regular practice.
Good Ol’factory(talk)23:02, 23 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Mild oppose. I think I misunderstood initially. "HIT Entertainment" seems to be the spelling adopted by the company; it is only the logo that uses a smallcase "i". This is more akin to the LEGO/Lego issue, but Noetica is correct that
WP:MOSTM is the relevant guideline, not
WP:CAPS. Using all-caps in a company name is certainly non-standard and would not generally be reflected in a WP article name.
Good Ol’factory(talk)05:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)reply
It would help if we actually state the relevant facts, rather than referring obliquely to them. From the article:
Hit Entertainment (styled "HiT") is a British/American entertainment distribution company established in 1989, and originally the international distribution arm of Jim Henson Productions called Henson International Television (later reincorporated as HiT Communications plc.).
Now, that gives some useful background. But it is incomplete and inaccurate concerning the styling. The styling in the logo is "HiT"; the styling in the official corporate name is consistently given as "HIT", as I point out below. MOSTM prefers all caps if the letters are pronounced individually; but that seems not to be the case here (as evidenced by the logo styling). NoeticaTea?22:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose. "Official spelling?" The company itself alternates, with "HiT" in its logo and "HIT" in text at
its website. It is not the business of Wikipedia to track such variation.
WP:MOSTM calls for standard case rules to be applied. Especially given the company's own uncertainties, we should retain
Hit Entertainment. NoeticaTea?23:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC) ♥reply
Support. As Powers notes, it's an acronym/initialism, pronounced "H-I-T", not "hit" (see
this video - sorry about the ad at the beginning); and, per
WP:MOSTM, "Using all caps is preferred if the letters are pronounced individually..." (my emphasis there)
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00:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)reply
That's one opinion, but not from the company itself. Here is another take on the matter, at this Japanese Wikipedia article:
ヒット・エンターテインメント. That appears to be a phonetic rendering with the pronunciation /hit/, though I am ready to be corrected by anyone who knows better.
If the "official" pronunciation has "hit" spelt out, then sure: let the title have "HIT", by all means. But we have insufficient evidence for that as things stand. Compare
IKEA, for which we do have evidence (/ai'kia/, roughly, in English usage) and which according to MOSTM ought to be at
Ikea.
A great number of published sources give the form "Hit" (see Googlebooks search on
"hit entertainment"), so it's an open question. Such occurrences don't have to be in the majority to show that people are pronouncing it /hit/, since people who spell it "HIT" or "HiT" could easily be doing that also – as in the case of IKEA.
I think I trust Forbes over the Japanese Wikipedia when it comes to pronunciation of American company names. But in either case, we don't always choose between all-caps and lowercase based solely on pronunciation (see
NASA,
NATO, etc.). Ikea is a tricky one, and that's borne out by the near 50/50 split in reliable sources; these both may be cases where there's no obvious "right" answer. In this case, though, since there's some evidence that some people pronounce it "Aitch Eye Tea" (and in that respect it differs from Ikea), I don't see any compelling reason not to treat it as an acronym and put it in all-caps.
PowersT14:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I don't know which I'd trust, if either. The variety in the company's own stylings leaves the matter quite unsettled, and it is likely that people everywhere are just guessing. What might properly count as an official pronunciation is the one used in the company. But even that could vary, far all we know. Consider how editors here pronounce "MOS" (or "MoS"). Some write "an MOS guideline", some "a MOS guideline". (I have worked in an organisation where there was similar alternation, in fact; so I know these are not just online uncertainties.) Parallel to the alternation at the company between "HIT" and "HiT" is, perhaps, the styling alternation between "MOS" and "MoS"; and how exactly these comport with the varying pronunciations is a matter for further (and rather futile) research. We just don't know.
So, Powers: I see no compelling reason to assume either that the word is pronounced /hit/ or that the word is pronounced as spelt out. I simply advocate simplicity and consistency, in the absence of decisive evidence. The broadest relevant WP style presumption is for default use of standard case styling, unless there is a clear provision to override it backed by clear evidence. We do not have either.
But we might agree that life is too short to take such things further, yes? At least here some of us looked at evidence rationally, which is more than we find at other RM discussions.
My point is thus: We know it is (or was) an acronym; we know at least one reliable sources pronounces it as spelled-out letters. For as minor an issue as this one, that really ought to be sufficient to justify rendering it in all-caps. Perhaps the difference is just in our basal starting point.
PowersT02:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC)reply
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Requested move 1
I suggest moving this page to Mattel Creations, because of the following:
1. HIT Entertainment's website now redirects to Mattel's website
2. At the end of some episodes of shows, it displays the Mattel Creations logo over the HIT Entertainment logo.
CriticismEdits (
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06:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Not relevant.
1. May be temporary or Mattel sees no reason to have HIT continue with its own website.
2.
Marvel Creations is HIT Entertainment's parent unit. Thus why Mattel Creations logo is also being show along with HIT.
At the the formation of Mattel Creations, HIT was separate subsidiary of Mattel Creations (as was Playground Productions) and has a history of its own. Even if HIT looses it ID/subsumed into Creations, it still has a separate history from Creations and is better know as HIT.
Spshu (
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13:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)reply
What's the deal with HIT? I'm confused.
If I remember correctly, Mattel is no-longer using the HIT name for its programming, and is now using the Mattel Creations name in its place. It seems to me that HIT should be declared defunct as of 2018, because the fact that HIT Entertainment's website is redirecting to Mattel's seems to confuse a lot of people. — Preceding
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216.237.238.202 (
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17:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Read above in
#Requested move 1. You are misremembering. Mattel Creations was placed above HiT as parent in the Mattel corporate hierarchy after being under Fisher-Price. HiT is still listed as a [
brand on the Mattel website]. Redirection of the website does create confusion including the though that it is defunct, but may not be the reason. While Mattel Playground Productions was collapsed down into Mattel Creations doesn't mean that HiT has been. And your "seems to me" isn't source enough for Wikipedia to state as much.
Spshu (
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21:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Additional, the current CEO of Mattel revived Mattel Playground Productions as Mattel Films, so there may be a revival of Hit.
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21:28, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
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