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I just posted a transcript of the interview lifted from the Daily Mail site, but I'm not 100% sure it is not copyrighted. After all, the Daily Mail didn't write the text, though they did sort of type it out. If this is a possible CopyVio, someone please do their own transcription of the video, which will be remarkably similar to the Daily Mail's but unquestionably OK for Wikipedia. BeteNoir 19:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Possible for anyone to add a date of when the original interview aired? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.35.25 ( talk • contribs)
I don't understand, what's the purpose in deleting such an article ? it's a great and funny...
Keep: It may well be great and funny, but that doesn't make it encyclopedic or notable, and I can understand it being a candidate for deletion. However, I think that a major mistake by a major broadcaster is important to record. There may be an article someone can suggest we should roll it into, but for now I say keep it. Ringbark 20:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Keep - its too funny to go
Keep I dont believe in keeping the article out of comedic value, but for a different reason. When the BBC tells us that Keith Allen (Lilly Allen’s father) is a comedian, it can’t mean that the BBC understand what they choose to broadcast. It is like Mr. Bean becoming a sergeon, just because he is a doctor. Anyone attempting to understand who is who in that business must be seen as a waste of space. Why does ITV exist when the BBC is just as bad? I feel sorry that Guy Goma had to be a part of a such non-culture. -- 2A02:2121:6C2:7FC3:40FA:F056:3DDE:139D ( talk) 10:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
The following websites have been removed per Wikipedia is not a web directory as non-notable:
While this issue appears to have been resolved a while back, I wonder if some people here may be confused about the EL policy. The EL policy makes it clear that EL's about a person should link to an official site, if one exists. Therefore, it doesn't matter how notable or not-notable the site is, if it's an official site it should be linked --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nil Einne ( talk • contribs)
Does any one know if he got the job as data support cleanser at the BBC?-- Muchosucko 13:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
No he didn't get the job- check your local news for latest information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.202.241 ( talk • contribs)
CNN has just reported that Guy Goma has his own Wikipedia entry -- Ancheta Wis 21:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Don't understand why it's racist to say that a man has a thick, French accent. He had a thick, French accent. If he was from Scotland, he probably would have had a Scottish accent! Davidcohen75 04:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Do we or do we not know his year of birth? The article says born in 1969 right in the opening. Either he should be in the category 1969 births or that little fact should be taken out.-- Thomas.macmillan 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to edit the mainpage as I don't feel comfortable with it yet, but I'd love to see the latest rumour about the potential film about him being added. Edit: Sorry, I saw it was added, however it should've been placed under the "aftermath" in my opinion.
The info I've seen including I believe from Guy Goma himself suggests wasn't in fact quite sure what was going on even after being introduced and indeed thought it may have been a joke. While he was clearly very shocked when introduced, his answer to the first question suggests he still thought it was part of a job interview since it appears he is answering as to whether he is shocked with what is happening to him rather then about the verdict... Yet the article appears to be suggesting he realised what was going on and that he was on live TV Nil Einne 20:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I assume he speaks French as one of or his main native languages and I don't know much about French accents or most African accents. But is his accent really most accurately described as a French one? Or would it be more accurately described as a Congonese (is that the right word?) accent? Nil Einne 20:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll be reverting those YouTube links, again, based on the above principles. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any further objection. --- J.S ( t| c) 19:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Dmcdevit's removal of a reference to the primary source in which Goma speaks about his first BBC interview and replacement of this by a "fact" tag is illogical. The quote being referenced is "Twenty minutes after the interview, Goma was given his job interview, which lasted ten minutes," and the mention of the source removed is THE source for this information. Please correct this immediately! Badagnani 21:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Dear J. Smith, thank you for rethinking your original removal of the proper citation and substitution of "fact" tag. Yes, please do what you specify above. Badagnani 22:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I said nothing in my post above about a link. I simply said that you removed a proper citation and substituted a "fact" tag. That was improper and I am glad you have reconsidered this. In fact, my last edit had no link, but simply a description of the program from which the information was quoted. Thus, the onus really is on you to replace this information, as per my last edit which had the information about the program, but no link. Thank you; it will probably take only a few minutes away from your other editing projects, and is much superior to simply deleting a proper citation, then adding a "fact" tag (no good). Badagnani 23:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
No insult intended, but the removal of a citation and replacement with a "fact" tag, then a reply saying that one is too busy with other editing projects to remove the "fact" tag and implement the proper citation, is not proper. Badagnani 23:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
The new citation looks fine. I removed the HTML comment however. --- J.S ( t| c) 23:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
This is a discussion, via e-mail, between two Guy Goma contributors:
From David Cohen to David Badagnani:
Hi, there. How are you? Hope you don't mind my getting in touch.
I'm afraid it's getting a little exhausting correcting Mr Goma's entry. But I was there on the day it took place. Kewney was indeed in a different reception area (Stage Door). The point I was trying to make was that the receptionist, when called on the phone from the News24 area, said that Kewney was in the Main Reception area. The producer went there as directed - as your version stands it suggests the producer foolishly went to the "wrong" reception area, when it wasn't his fault at all. When asked which one was Guy Kewney, the receptionist specifically pointed to Guy Goma. She was asked if she was sure. She said she was. With five minutes to go before "Kewney" was due on air (at 1040 - the business news slot), the producer didn't hang around to chat. He asked Goma if he was Guy Kewney. He said yes. The producer and "Kewney" ( i.e. Goma) ran up the two flights of stairs (rather than taking the lift, which was slower); the producer handed "Kewney" over to the floor manager and got on with his job.
I appreciate none of this is verifiable in the press. But not everything you read in the press is true or has all the facts, not least because no-one who wrote the story was there. I know more about this than anyone on Earth (much as I wish I didn't). I knew from the start that "Kewney" ( i.e. Goma) wasn't a cabbie because when he arrived the back of his suit was soaked from the pouring rain, and because he got the tube home. How can I prove it? Well, unless you get Mr Goma to identify me in a line-up, which aint gonna happen, then you can't. So you can either trust me, or, if that's not enough for you or Wikipedia, you'll have to keep an entry which is inaccurate. Either way, I shall leave it there (unless you have any more questions).
Anyway, excuse my being anal. I think you and all the Wikipedia people do a phenomenal job.
Cheers
DC
P.S My scepticism about the film is simply that the report first appearaed in the UK's Sun newspaper (a notorious tabloid) in August (aka "The Silly Season"). I asked a friend in the industry what he knew, but all he could refer me to was a follow-up article in Variety or Hollywood Reporter (I forget which).
Badagnani replies: Hi David,
Thanks for writing, and giving such detail and background. So you were there yourself! And there were only a few minutes until air time. Of course, it makes perfect sense now. I think you should post this to the "discussion" page and I think it would satisfy me and the other editors who regularly edit "Guy Goma." To be honest, because the edit summary said "I know this producer" (which we can't be sure of in the first place) the edits seemed as if the producer, months after the fact, didn't want to look bad and asked you to alter some facts that had already been reported differently to make him look better. But I trust you -- we want to have the most factual and complete article possible and you're working to do that.
I just wonder why there's not a standard waiting area for the program Kewney was to appear on (at the Cleveland radio station I've been on, there's only one such designated place), and why the real Kewney wasn't in that area. That still doesn't make sense.
If it was reported only in the Sun the supposed film may very well be bogus. It could be qualified with "as reported in the Sun, a UK tabloid,..."
Thanks again,
David Badagnani
David Cohen replies: Hey, David. Thanks for getting back to me and for being so trusting.
I must confess to being a little inept at getting to grips with Wikipedia, discussions etc. But I shall try to post this up there later on.
In terms of the BBC - for which I no longer work - there are two reception areas (as we now know) at Television Centre. Following the IRA bomb of a few years back, cars are no longer allowed to drop guests off at the "Main Reception" area, which is diagonally opposite White City underground station. Instead, they must go through security a little further down Wood Lane and drive through the "Horseshoe" (the driveway shaped like a horseshoe). Sometimes guests still come in through Main Reception - they may come with their own car or take the tube. It can be pot luck. Had the receptionist in Main Reception said "no" when the producer phoned down to ask if Guy Kewney was there, the producer would have immediately called the other reception area (Stage Door) to see if he was there.
As it happens, Guy Kewney was already waiting at Stage Door and the receptionist there had indeed alerted News24 that Kewney was there - just that no-one had bothered passing on the message to the Business Producer. It was a concert of cock-ups!
Regards
DC
Did someone remove the link to the video (i.e. the primary source for this incident) from the BBC site? If so, it should be replaced. However, many Wikipedia editors, I've found, enjoy removing things from articles, but don't take the time to replace the things they've removed; they simply move on to other articles.
Badagnani
07:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Minor quibble W/R/T the quote:
After a commercial break, he took Jimmy Carr's place as host for a few seconds, welcoming the audience back to the show. Everyone on the quiz agreed that Goma was a better host than Carr, eventually leading to the audience and contestants heckling Carr and insulting his ability as a presenter, and chanting "We want Guy, we want Guy," much to the apparent displeasure of the presenter himself.
I viewed a clip of the show in question on YouTube @ http://youtube.com/watch?v=DXrGa3NIUZs
It is apparent to me The host was obviously not upset and playing along with the heckling, (which was clearly done in jest). In fact, he even made several quips about Guy Goma later in the broadcast. Perhaps "apparent should be replaced with "feigned" or something of the like. But as it stands, one gets the impression that the host may have actually been upset, which clearly is not the case. AJC3 70.118.247.5 20:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed some edits around the transcription in this article. This was discussed some time ago, but no consensus was reached. I am still of the opinion that it should be removed entirely, as it's a copyright violation of the BBC, and not encyclopedic. -- MisterHand ( Talk to the Hand| Contribs) 13:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Is this still notable? Nothing has been seen or heard of this matter for years. Uksam88 ( talk) 00:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
This article is about BBC's mistake, not Goma. If the event is notable, Goma is not necessarily notable by extension. "Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. We should generally avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:
Goma is covered only in the context of this event, has otherwise remained low-profile and his role was merely being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time. This article should be merged with another appropriate article or, at the very least, renamed for the event. - SummerPhD ( talk) 14:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
This isn't stated in the article (at least not that I noticed), but my impression is the interviewer became aware (perhaps prompted by someone on the editorial team) that she was interviewing the wrong person and probably cut the interview short. At least she appeared to having problems when introducing the next guest. I had a brief search but couldn't find any sources, can anyone else? Nil Einne ( talk) 18:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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It's well sourced, which is good, and has a well written account of his interview, however after that, it just drops off in quality. It would be best improved to brush up the rest with a bit more depth. |
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What is that? Sounds an odd job title -- is this for real? If so add an explaino maybe? Is it a janitorial job? Does he wash the machines, or bathe the date support personnel? Does he "cleanse" the data somehow -- take out artifacts in the code or databases? Keep the machine room free of dust? Clean up the department's image? What? Herostratus ( talk) 23:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)