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I am a bit surprised by [ˈɡɵ̂sːtaviːa] as supposed to represent how the name is pronounced in Swedish. It is always pronounced [ɡɵsˈtɑːvja], in my experience.--
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Dear
user:SergeWoodzing,
this edit makes me think. You know english better than me, but anyway I'm not sure you are right here (but I do not change because I'm not an expert, therefor I ask you to aid me). I looked at
Namesake (search on enwp for "named after" and you come there). The first sentence is: "A namesake is a person named after another, or more broadly, a thing (such as a company, place, ship, building, or concept) named after a person". This made me think you are wrong (it is not swenglish), however futher down in the article it is written "Buildings, such as the Trump Tower, and companies, like the Ford Motor Company, are often named for their founders or owners." which is as you wrote. Which one is correct here?
Adville (
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20:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC)reply
A
namesake is something thatsomeone who has the exact same name as somethingsomeone else and, in English, thus can either behas been named for orafter the thing that bears the exact same namethe first of those persons in time. Gustavia is not a namesake of a Swedish king but, properly prepositioned, I believe, is named for, not after, that person. --
SergeWoodzing (
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21:49, 2 February 2018 (UTC)reply
May I suggest as a compromise between named after and named for that it be replaced by "renamed in honour of" which is more usual in English. As an exemple explorers named places to honour their monarch as he was usually the one paying for the expeditions. This is much closer to the sources. For example
the tourist board of the island says "Appelée tout d’abord Carénage, la ville changea de nom en l’honneur du Roi de Suède Gustav III pour s’appeler Gustavia." Originally called Carénage, the name of the town was changed in honour of the king of Sweden, Gustav III to become Gustavia.
I would also suggest adding the original name in the first line of the lead. Named after may suggest that it was simply common usage that was adopted and named for is an unusual way of putting it. Also I think renamed is much more appropriate as it makes the point that the town was not founded with the name Gustavia.
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11:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)reply