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The foreign perspective section seems very dodgy to me. It uses four sources all from the same date (which I assume are negative reactions to a mass shooting, written by americans most likely). This seems to me to be incredibly poor research and sourcing, and does not give a broad perspective. I will look for other sources. — Preceding
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02:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC)reply
The fourth source is clearly by a British writer in a British journal. The others do appear to be by Americans, but depend on quotations from a lot of non-Americans, which is presumably the point of this section. Feel free to find other sources, but please discuss them here before adding them to the article.
HiLo48 (
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03:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Foreign Perspective implies that the views are widely held by people outside the US. Simply citing opinions by individuals is not sufficient. Surveys should be used, if they exist, if not this section should be removed.
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03:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)reply
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Propose deletion of misnamed "public opinion" section
This article is about Gun Culture in the US, not about gun laws in the US. The "public opinion" section would rightly be expected to be a section about public opinion of gun culture. It is however just poll results regarding gun laws. This is a pretty standard switcheroo - claim to be about one thing, talk about another. Gun laws are not gun culture. That's patently evident, any argument to the contrary would have to contend with the problem of original research. I propose removing the section, since it tells the reader nothing about public opinion of gun culture. cheers.
anastrophe,
an editor he is.03:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Nope. That's synthesis. guns are not the same as gun culture. Otherwise, the term 'gun culture' wouldn't exist. Do the sources refer to the poll results as pertaining to gun culture? cheers.
anastrophe,
an editor he is.04:38, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
This is where we need definitions. The lead says "Gun culture in the United States encompasses the behaviors, attitudes, and beliefs about firearms and their use by private citizens." The section in question addresses everything but the use of guns.
HiLo48 (
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05:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Does this: "Gun culture in the United States encompasses the behaviors, attitudes, and beliefs about firearms and their use by private citizens." mention gun laws? The polls are opinions on gun laws, not behaviors, attitudes, or beliefs. cheers.
anastrophe,
an editor he is.06:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Synthesis. The majority of the article actually discusses the topic of gun culture. It's gradually been larded in just the last few months with political content that's not directly relevant to gun culture - instead relevant to the article that exists for that subject,
Gun politics in the United States.
I just noticed that the poll that is sourced to an arabic-language site is already mentioned a few paragraphs above, verbatim, with a proper cite. The article doesn't need polling data on suggested gun laws, and certainly not duplicate content. That, again, belongs in the gun politics article. All of this content should go in the more appropriate article. cheers.
anastrophe,
an editor he is.06:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
I'd suggest that the figures from that source are among the best you're going to get. And precisely what's wrong with that Arabic site?
HiLo48 (
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06:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
This is the english wikipedia. Neither editors nor readers are expected to be fluent in arabic in order to verify a citation. Particularly when there's an english language source a few lines above with exactly the same, duplicated content. cheers.
anastrophe,
an editor he is.07:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Your claim about foreign language sources is just wrong. Many sources are hard for most readers to see - books, those behind paywalls, etc.
HiLo48 (
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07:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
I've been mostly watching this discussion but having read the back and forth I think anastrophe is correct. The stand alone section of opinions public opinion on gun laws doesn't make sense here. A section on the opinions of gun owners on various laws would make sense and in context some of this information may make sense in other parts of the article, just not as a stand alone section with a narrow overlap with "gun culture".
Springee (
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22:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Absent any further comment, I'm going to go ahead and remove the section, and the repeated content immediately above the section. Polls on gun laws seek opinions on measures that people think may reduce criminal violence. Criminal violence isn't gun culture in the United States, it's criminality culture in the United States. The actual article content describes this very well; gun culture is associated with lawful ownership and use of firearms. The recently larded additions of contemporary political views on how to address criminal violence by restricting weapons don't add anything relevant to the subject of the article; they are however entirely appropriate for articles such as
Gun politics in the United States and more. cheers.
anastrophe,
an editor he is.04:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)reply
The term hoplophobia refers to an "irrational aversion to firearms".
The source given shows the US is top in number of guns per capita. This isn't the same as the gun ownership rate, which is implied to be the highest in the world by the initial phrasing. For example, suppose in Society A, 49% of people own one gun each (and the rest none, implied in all going forward). In Society B, 1% own 50 guns each. In Society C, 1% own 10 guns each. By number of guns per 100 people, Society B is the highest with 50, followed by A with 49, followed by C with 10. But that's obviously silly, because A is clearly the highest (49% own guns), then B and C which are the same (1%). I wouldn't be surprised if the US topped this metric too -- it does on
Percent of households with guns by country, but the source there no longer exists, and it only has 34 countries, excluding Yemen, Serbia, etc. Since I can't actually confirm the claim as true, I removed it.
Miladragon3 (
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09:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply
... U.S. gun ownership rate is more than one per person.
Does this image and its source deal with your concern? Source:Fox, Kara; Shveda, Krystina; Croker, Natalie; Chacon, Marco (November 26, 2021).
"How US gun culture stacks up with the world". CNN.
Archived from the original on November 26, 2021. CNN's attribution: Developed countries are defined based on the UN classification, which includes 36 countries. Source: Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (Global Burden of Disease 2019), Small Arms Survey (Civilian Firearm Holdings 2017) —RCraig09 (
talk)17:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)reply