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Hi
HaeB, you are absolutely right - the reference says something quite different. But that particular information on the regime's use of that label, which I added to the page, was taken from the German wiki page, not the reference. Could I ask you to take a quick look at both sources, as a native speaker of German, you are obviously more qualified than I. And thanks for checking the reference, I'm a total fan of accuracy.
The article on de: doesn't cite a reference for it either - in fact, that article itself
was originally translated from
nl:Gudrun Burwitz, which in turn doesn't cite a source at all.
From the Tagesspiegel article, it is not entirely clear what Schröm's comment referred to - the public view/regime role of her before 1945, or her status among a circle of SS veterans since then. But one wouldn't normally call a child or teenager "schillernd" (fickle, enigmatic), and he is quoted as the author of the book about Stille Hilfe, i.e. the post-1945 time. There is also
this newspaper article by his co-author Andrea Röpke (
Frankfurter Rundschau, 04.08.2001), which calls Burwitz "the princess of this society" (of SS veterans and old/young nazis):
Obwohl Gudrun Burwitz nur einfaches Mitglied ist, regiert sie den SS-Verein sozusagen per Ahnenrecht. Standesgemäß wird sie bei den Veranstaltungen der Alt- und Jungnazis behandelt, so bei der alljährlich im Frühjahr stattfindenden Gedenkfeier der Kameradschaft Freikorps und Bund Oberland auf dem Annaberg bei Schliersee oder beim jährlichen Treffen der SS-Veteranen im österreichischen Krumpendorf bei Klagenfurt am Wörthersee. [...] Die Himmler-Tochter ist die Prinzessin dieser Gesellschaft. Manchmal hält sie regelrecht Hof. Nur handverlesene Kameraden werden zu ihr vorgelassen.
(I can provide a translation of this or other quotes if needed.)
The first picture on the page is said to have been taken at Nuremberg 1945. Gudrun and her mother seem way too old on the picture for 1945. The following Web site posts the same picture in its entirety, and says it is from around 1957, which makes a lot more sense to me:
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3589&page=4
Thanks for your comment. It's a good common sense point, which I had not considered before. I took the picture from the
German Wikipedia, which again refers to a
US picture database which I consider inherently more trustworthy than your webpage - so everything seems to be just fine. I agree that she does look older than a 16 year old teenager. I'm speculating - this was war, a bombed out country, father is dead,
Anne Frank also matured quickly - Please note that we cannot use more recent pictures of her in order not to violate Wikipedia's
WP:BLP policy
Power.corrupts (
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20:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Who is her mother?
Margarete Siegroth (née Boden) is the name I found in pages of Heinrich Himmler and on the one for Gudrun in German. Where does come from the information about the Polish background of her mother?
[Margarete Koncerzowo (who, surprisingly, was of Polish origin). ] —Preceding
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21:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)reply