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I believe GTA III is set in "present day" (a.k.a. 2001), but I don't believe any sources discuss it as it's fairly unimportant overall. –
Rhain☔14:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Ah I see I suppose it is famliar to GTA V in that sense (in that it is rare to find secondary sources that report the year, it is fairly obvious like
WP:SKYBLUE). Though I would not be opposed to having it if we do find one.
 Spy-cicle💥 Talk?01:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Will be the PS3 versions (PS2 Classics) of VC and III also removed?
compilation was recently removed from the infobox genre section with the summary "Compilation is indeed not a genre". I am not sure if the summary is supposed to mean 1) "
compilation" in general is not considered a genre (but then why do we have at articles like
Rare Replay), or 2) "
compilation" is not a genre for The Definitive Edition.
 Spy-cicle💥 Talk?17:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)reply
A "compilation" is a form of release. It does not describe how the game is designed or played. I don't know why Rare Replay uses "compilation" as a genre; potentially because the games are very different from each other, in which case it should use "Various" or no genre at all. Other examples, like
Namcot Collection, do the same, while some like
Halo: The Master Chief Collection do not. If at all, this should be discussed at a higher level.
IceWelder [
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10:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)reply
I do understand your arguments put forward, and am currently ambivalent on the issue but I think there should be a central discussion at WP:VG first before changing it IMHO.
 Spy-cicle💥 Talk?15:41, 22 October 2021 (UTC)reply
I don't think it is much of a controversial change as it fits the documentation:
genre – The gameplay genre or genres (such as first-person shooter, adventure, etc) the game is categorized in by its developers and publishers, or by reliable sources.
@
Ensiasoft: Of the three sources you have provided, Dexerto is considered unreliable and GameByte has not been discussed at
WP:VG/RS. TheGamer is fine, but the original source of the information is a YouTuber (which is not fine per
WP:RSPYT). There are several reasons the mobile menu could be included in the game code—it's coming to mobile in a few months, after all—and this information is unverified. Furthermore, the phrasing of your edit—"Rockstar announced the would bring the Trilogy Definitive Edition to
mobile, however it was later discovered..."—directly violates
WP:SYNTH: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion". There's no reason to mention the upcoming mobile release there, as it is implying something not mentioned in the source. Please do not add the information again, and do not demand other editors not to revert; per
WP:BRD, you have been
bold in adding the information, but you have been reverted, so now you need to discuss the worthiness of its inclusion and gain consensus before reinserting. –
Rhain☔14:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
there are several reasons the mobile menu could be included in the game code—it's coming to mobile in a few months, after all—and this information is unverified
The articles state that a YouTuber posted on Twitter that they found a widget in San Andreas also found in the 2013 mobile port of that game, as well as the 2014 console ports. Said user speculates that this means that these ports were used as the basis for this product. While it is possible, or even plausible, that Grove Street Games built The Definitive Edition from their prior work, a single widget is no proof in that regard, nor does the one situationally reliable source you added, TheGamer, paint it this way. As Rhain noted, the package is supposed to come to mobile, so this kind of widget is not unexpected. Your addition presents the foregone speculation as a fact in spite of what the source says. Regards,
IceWelder [
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16:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
at the very least it's a strong indication the source material comes from their previous mobile ports. The UI mobile screen controls are from that material, released between 2011 and 2014
Ensiasoft (
talk)
17:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
This is the same situation where San Andreas HD Remaster for Xbox 360 was found and proven to be a redux and inferior version from the mobile release. Same issue here. Source [4]Ensiasoft (
talk)
17:29, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
The first one of these sources actually says that this is not the mobile version because fixes made in that port are now missing in the new product. The other two are about the same Tweet as mentioned previously. The current state of information is that there is a widget for mobile controls in a game that is supposed to come to mobile. This is somewhat different from the PS3/X360 San Andreas releases as they were found to be identical to the mobile releases. This was quickly pointed out by reliable outlets like
here. If there ever is an official statement regarding the basis of the new product, we can surely come back to this discussion. Regards,
IceWelder [
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17:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
We sure will come back to discussing this but as you already know this issue doesn't need an "official" announcement. In other words this issue[topic] is not tied to any possible official announcement.
Ensiasoft (
talk)
18:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
British English
No problem with it, just curious why this article uses British English as opposed to American English, which most Wikipedia article, including the other
GTA game articles use?
Dilbaggg (
talk)
18:17, 6 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Contrary to your claim, all articles about Grand Theft Auto games use British English. This article uses the same variant for consistency.
IceWelder [
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18:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)reply
I dont think so, this is the
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City which i followed for years before I started editing here (and played that game since 2005). One of the line says:
Jeff Gerstmann named the cast of characters "colorful and memorable". Pretty sure Colorful is American, while colourful is British. I have nothing against it tho, just asked out of curiosity. However if thats indeed the standard for GTA articles, its perfectly fine, no more questions.
Dilbaggg (
talk)
18:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Direct quotes like "colorful and memorable" are not edited to fit a particular variant. The Vice City article, like all others in the series, is clearly tagged as "Use British English" at the top and uses British spelling throughout, starting with "instalment" in the second sentence.
IceWelder [
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19:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Should we change the English to American English, Because it was developed by a US developer? I know all GTA articles must be written in British English but we must make an exception.
186.148.193.52 (
talk)
20:51, 27 December 2021 (UTC)reply
the stance that "We shouldn’t dumb down our language just because some won’t understand; it’s a fairly common word and easy to understand (or look up)" goes against
WP:ONEDOWN and
Contested_vocabulary. the revisions i made allow the article to be more approachable vs forcing users to look a word up.
"Nadir" is neither technical nor scientific; it's a standard English word. (I'm also not sure how relevant the corpus is, in this context, but it may be worth noting that the word's relative frequency is doubled in the
British National Corpus.) –
Rhain☔ (
he/him)23:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
fair enough on technical/scientific but it is still uncommon. i have provided a solution that meets the intent of
MOS:COMMONALITY, keeping nadir will likely result in ongoing revision/reverts by others, similar to the edit warring of "instalment" seen on the GTA6 article.
Pdubs.94 (
talk)
23:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The word has been used in the article for more than two years and was only challenged yesterday. I have faith that readers will understand the meaning of a standard English word, and I believe it is already appropriate per
MOS:COMMONALITY. –
Rhain☔ (
he/him)23:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
this article sees almost zero traffic, so likely why it's just coming up. the length of time a word has been included in an article does not provide weight against improving it.
I never claimed the length of time justified avoiding change—
of course it doesn't—just that, based on the article's history, warnings of edit warring seem exaggerated (as does claiming an article with 1,000+ daily pageviews "sees almost zero traffic"). There's no discernable difference between regional varieties of English here, so my point is that
MOS:COMMONALITY does not really apply. –
Rhain☔ (
he/him)00:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I’m sorry, you’re right. I was looking at page views for the talk page, not the article.
Nonetheless, all I am saying is that I feel like we are artificially creating potential for confusion reading this article that simply doesn’t need to occur and could be easily resolved by swapping one word. Perhaps we wait to see if other editors to chime in and we can gain consensus one way or another.
Pdubs.94 (
talk)
00:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Mobile release details
There are some I details surrounding the mobile release that I couldn't find sources for yet, so I'm posting them here before I forget them:
The games were simultaneously released for Netflix subscribers and as individual paid releases (at least on Google Play).
According to the Netflix description, the mobile versions were made by Video Games Deluxe.
Saying that the games were released via the "Netflix mobile application" is a bit misleading; you can find them on Netflix, but selecting "install" just opens the respective store.