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Was Ho Chi Min a member of Le Grand Orient de france, in the 20' before being a founder od the Parti Communiste de France. Je cherche une source.
A question... what does the Affaire Des Fishes have to do with "Separation of Church and State" which is the title of the section? Either discussion of the Affaire needs to be moved to a different section or it needs to be directly tied to the topic indicated by the secton header. Blueboar 16:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I do not know how to propose edits to Wikipedia. I just opened an account because I see a problem with the article on the Grand Orient de France. I looked at the footnote that is supposed to support the statement that dislike of religious participation is official policy of GOdF. The footnote does not appear to give evidence of the statement (which itself strikes me as doubtful, at least as currently phrased -- really? dislike of religious participation is official GOdF policy?).
Instead of showing the alleged dislike or demonstrating that is a GOdF policy, the footnote talks about how 2,000 Masons marched in a show of support for the separation of church and state. Is laicite itself being assumed to be antagonistic to "religious participation" -- whatever THAT means? It is my impression that laicite involves opposition to anyone legislating or administering their own religious beliefs onto fellow citizens via government power. But "religious participation" is vague. It does not seem to me that efforts to subvert separation of church and state would necessarily qualify as "participation."
Possibly if the Wikipedia article is clarified regarding what is meant by disliking "religious participation" I would no longer see the statement about dislike of religious participation as false and/or unsupported. I think it would be far better for the material about Masons demonstrating on behalf of laicite to be actually included IN THE ARTICLE rather than being relegated to a footnote and then summarized in the article by means of a questionable generalization.
Since I am brand new, can I ask others here to assist me in making this clarification? J. Christina Hodgson ( talk) 21:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it is important to note that the vast majority of Grand Lodges and Grand Orients do not allow discussions of politics in the lodge. This isn't just UGLE and affiliates... many of the "irregular" GLs and GOs adhear to this tradition. GOdF is in a distinct minority on this issue. Blueboar ( talk) 14:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The section currently states: In addition, it expects its members who hold a public office to fight for its values <ref> [http://www.jlturbet.net/article-11288669.html Interview of Jean-Michel Quillardet, Great Master of the Grand Orient de France, April 2007]</ref>; in order to forward its stated purpose of exerting an influence on ideas, it holds regular talks with elected representatives, including the Prime Minister (ibid).
Unfortunately, the source is in French, which not everyone can read... Please point me to the pertinent section of the source so I can get it translated and verify that the source does indeed support what is being claimed.
Blueboar (
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14:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The Le Droit Humain article has a nicely built section on international relations, and I was wondering if something similar could be set up for the Grand Orient for those who are knowledgable of their policies? What I can gather from this is that they are fraternal towards LDH but I am not sure if they are also fraternal to those who LDH fraternizes with. Furthermore, while LDH recognizes the Anglo orders of Masonry (not reciprocated) according to that chart, I do not know whether or not GOdF also has this policy or whether they are more strict and do not recognize them. Does anybody know? Tyciol ( talk) 18:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
The GODF is reputed to have quite a bit of influence in European, African and Latin American media, but it's really an open secret among journalists and television producers. Anyways, I think that some investigative work on the general relationship between Masonry and Media would be very much welcome on Wikipedia. ADM ( talk) 21:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that there was a missing section about the GODF's supposed role during the First World War. An intriguing element is perhaps the GODF's relations with the German Grand Lodges, with which it separated from after the 1877 schism. In particular, the question of Alsace-Lorraine became very acute in the 1880s, with each Grand Lodge and Grand Orient jurisdiction asserting control over that small slice of territory. Another interesting detail is that during the War, Turkey was aligned with Germany, but after the war it became aligned with France. ADM ( talk) 01:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
One likely source of anti-French sentiment in the United States is the historic separation between Grand Lodge and Grand Orient Masonry, which became noticeable in many areas where Masonry has been influential, such as politics and public life in general. After the 1877 masonic schism, the Grand Lodges began to promote an anti-France ideology, while the Grand Orients became very anti-American and anti-British. A similar division is also noticeable in the field of philosophy, which has long been split along the lines of analytical philosophy and continental philosophy. ADM ( talk) 07:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
It would be a good thing if anyone could translate the article Querelle du Grand Architecte de l'Univers, which explains the 1877 schism. ADM ( talk) 07:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
It seems like the Grand Orient de France has confirmed that they will not refuse admittance of a person based on their sex.
INFO LE FIGARO - Le Grand Orient confirme son ouverture aux femmes
Maybe it should be added to the article. What do you think?-- 195.57.146.182 ( talk) 06:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Particularly the last lodges associated with the Grand Masonic Orient of Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.28.150 ( talk) 17:33, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Apparantly you did a bad job because you deleted lodges that were created in conjunction with the Grand Orient of France, as all lodges from Ireland are opened in conjunction with the GOdF. You stay in the Anglo lane, and let us Liberal Masons tell you how the Liberal world goes. Stop making stuff up.
First things first its GMOIRL and not GMOI. We can see the Anglo seeping through the screen.
Anglo meaning Anglo Saxon. You would be a follower of the UGLE Masonry. Differing obviously from the Continental brand. While yes that GMOIRL is its own jurisdiction the thing is they are still very much tied to the GOdF in a non traditional manner. For example Les Amis Reunis (interestingly enough Amis Reunis was the name of the Illuminati lodge in Paris in the GOdF during the French Revolution) is a French speaking lodge which is very much tied to the GOdF and counts GOdF members in its ranks and works in the French language. As far as rebellion is concerned that a bit misguided to think that GMOIRL will dissipate it is not going anywhere. They have about a dozen knockers in the various lodges in Ireland given they are in one or two general areas, and with Riga, Latvia being the newest lodge this year opening within the last 2 months. There has also been talk of a lodge from Greece joining the fold, and there maybe potential for a Filipino lodge as well as an American lodge in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.28.150 ( talk) 10:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Its not dismissive if its accurate. Anglo Saxon is deriving from the fact that the "Premier" Grand Lodge was of London and Westminster which means it is derived in the Anglo world hence the appelation. Not necessarily true if you look at 1688 when the Irish lodges preceded the English lodges. GOdF recognizes that in its history the Anglos do not.
Its not assuming if I am correct. Funny you assumed that I didnt read the article when your fellow wikipedian had to point out that 1688 isnt a myth mr. Im not a freemason. You suck at empirical data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.254.230 ( talk) 06:58, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I've updated these for the time being with a current list from GoDF's English Facebook page. I can't use it as a reference, but I can't see why it would be wrong. I will cross check the new ones, and the lodges that are no longer mentioned, within the next few days. Fiddlersmouth ( talk) 18:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
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The current WP article affirms: "The first "deputisations" of lodges in France by the London Grand Lodge occurred in 1732, and the Grand Orient now dates its foundation from 1733, when there started to be a recognisable Grand Lodge of France".
On the contrary, this academic paper affirms: ". This institution was founded with the name of Grand Lodge of France in 1728, but in 1773, under the leadership of Louis-Philippe d'Orléans, Duke of Chartres, was restructured and renamed as Grand Orient of France."
Provisionally, it has been sourced the fact that since 1721 there exist French masonic lodges ruled by nobles fo the Grand Lodge of England. It was also added that Louis-Philippe d'Orléans, Duke of Chartres, changed the name in its actual version. Hope that some academician or academic source may want to help to clarify this aspect. Regards, Theologian81sp