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Mr. Trump
Now, I realize that attempts to add Donald Trump to this list are being removed. I understand and probably even approve right now, but at what point would this nickname be notable enough to add to this page? Enough references in the media or other publications? The amount of time spent to wait and see if it's something that will stick? Do "memes" count and are they fundamentally different from nicknames that came before? Just wondering and trying to make it a bit more constructive than an edit war.
Donald Trump fits the definition of a Thearch as described in the page; he is the God Emperor of
Kek and we follow his supreme authority without question. The attribution of this title can be easily verified by multiple non-original research references and serves as a neutral descriptor of Donald Trump. Whether or not he is
POTUS has no bearing on his religious status and I must insist he remain listed under non-fiction. — Preceding
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120.20.111.92 (
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06:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)reply
Include Donald Trump should be included on this list at least as a pop culture reference. If fictional characters qualify to illustrate the reference, so should the President of the United States.
WP:N satisfied.
67.221.84.246 (
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16:03, 13 October 2017 (UTC)reply
That reference was already suggested two weeks ago, and (IMHO correctly) rejected by
Athomeinkobe as insufficient.
Besides, this page is a
disambiguation page, whose primary purpose it is to guide readers who search for a topic to the corresponding article. Beyond members of some web forum trading insider jokes, how likely is it that a general reader reads somewhere about a "god emperor" but does not know that Donald Trump is meant?
In any case, per
WP:DABRELATED, a disambiguation page should "include articles only if the term being disambiguated is actually described in the target article." Currently the term "God emperor" is not even mentioned in the article
Donald Trump, so I suggest you first get a description added there before adding any link here.
There is a fundamental difference which you overlook. The other entries in the list are about actual emperors who were also believed to be actual gods (or at least some earthly relation of gods). But regarding Trump, it's just a nickname. That is why it does not matter how many people refer to the nickname in newspaper articles. Until large groups of people actually start praying in front of his image, he simply does not belong here. It should not be added again until consensus is reached here to do so.
AtHomeIn神戸 (
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05:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)reply
As has been now noted further up in the talk comments section, groups of Trump supporters do believe (ironically or not...) he is a god — Preceding
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217.196.236.157 (
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19:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC)reply
I don't know where you are getting those requirements. There is a "Fictional" section too, I doubt the creators of those characters actually thought they were a god. Trump was called "God Emperor" in real life, mostly online it seems, but that doesn't mean it can't be added. Several sources show him being called this and that's all that's needed. And it seems like there is already consensus, some IP editors, me, and another register support this if you look through this page.
ZN3ukct (
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05:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)reply
The requirements? They would be found at
thearch, the definition of the title at the top of the page. At the risk of repeating myself, each of the non-fictional ones were actual emperors of actual empires, and were believed to be gods by at least some of the actual residents that lived there. The fictional ones I don't care about, but I am guessing each were a god/emperor in the story in which they appeared. At the risk of stating the obvious, the creators created them in the role of god emperor, that's the "fiction" part of it.
But the first list is not concerned with fiction. It is about real life and real emperors. Trump is not an emperor, nor is he a god. Therefore, he does not belong in this list. It is a nickname. Jimmy Wales, the founder of this site, has for years been referred to as "god emperor", but he has never been added here because, believe it or not, most people realize that too is just a nickname and not an actual title. I could probably find hundreds of others who have earned the nickname at some point.
As for consensus, a few people casually dropping by to try and add the name with no reasoning is not "consensus". I thank you for engaging in discussion, but your persistence in repeatedly adding Trump's name while the discussion is in progress, contrary to Wikipedia policy, means I am unable to remove it because of the rules about edit warring. So please, I ask you to see reason and remove it yourself. If Trump actually does become a "god emperor" one day, I will gladly add his name here myself. But that's not going to happen any time soon, so please knock it off with this silliness.
AtHomeIn神戸 (
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06:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks for finding these sources. Again though, this is a disambiguation page, not an article about the topic "god emperor". I suggest you either start a discussion at
Talk:Donald Trump about adding an explanation of the meme there, or create a standalone article like
Donald Trump god emperor meme - personally I doubt that it would survive as notable (cf.
WP:GNG), but you can try. After either has happened, we can link the result from this page.
"The only articles listed that have "God emperor" in them ..." - not sure I understand your concern; all the articles linked under "non-fictional" discuss the alleged divine nature of the corresponding rulers, so a reader coming from this page will know why it was linked here. The same cannot be said about
Donald Trump.
why dont add a "trivia" or "the term in popular culture" topic where it _shortly_ states that in reference to the fictional god emperor of mankind trump is ironically referred to by many supporters all over the internet.
Why? because there WILL be people reading or hearing "god emperor" without getting that it is about trump and they'll google it and propably not go to or even get meme-themed sites where it is explained. — Preceding
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176.199.206.45 (
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17:12, 19 November 2016 (UTC)reply
The problem is people consider Wikipedia as some actual, reliable source. If it was a decent source, it would mention Trump is mentioned in this article. There's better references than Wikipedia out there. On a side-note, at once point the clouds in the sky became the shape of Donald Trump's head
[12][13]; clearly some divine shit happening here.
Stoodpointt (
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12:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)reply
The earliest use of the term I could find was in an English translation of Ibsen's play, dated 1904.
Here, it is emperor Julian who is speaking of the Jewish concept of the Messiah (and, equivalently, the Christian concept of Christ).
It is hard to categorise this, is this "fiction", i.e. a fictional utterance of a historical character? Or is it Ibsen speaking and using the character of Julian to express his own commentary on the "Messiah" concept? What was Julian even supposed to have said in Latin, deus imperator?
In any case, this seems to be the original coining of the term, its use to refer to the Japanese Emperor or the Chinese Sovereigns even later.--
dab(𒁳)09:12, 1 March 2017 (UTC)reply
I know Donald Trump doesn't really belong in the "Historical" section, but I think(per above) that he has enough pop-culture references to count in the "Modern popular culture" section.
Jjjjjjdddddd (
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10:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)reply
The situation hasn't changed. As discussed above, this is a disambiguation page, not an article about the topic "god emperor". I suggest you either start a discussion at
Talk:Donald Trump about adding an explanation of the meme there, or create a standalone article like
Donald Trump god emperor meme. After that has happened (but not before), we can link the resulting coverage from this disambigution page. Regards,
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10:10, 16 July 2017 (UTC)reply
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Being that Italy has now created a 40ft high edifice of the God Emperor Trump, and there are plenty of articles about it referring to him as such, is NOW the time to add him as a cultural reference? 🙄
I can't see how the smuggies can still justify keeping him off the list just because he isn't universally liked. Why do we have articles on various Gods and God emperors? They obviously aren't Gods in matter of fact since scientifically speaking Gods do not exist. They are created by worshippers. Donald Trump is worshipped as a literal God by many people and many parts of the world - shrines, prayers, churches and all - and he has been depicted many, many times as a God Emperor, with Italy being just the latest. This list is incomplete without Donald Trump, however you might feel about him.
71.223.192.180 (
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15:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Not done: Been discussed before. As last request says, even the
Donald Trump doesn't include a mention of source for this nickname. If the article in question doesn't even refer to him as such, a dab page directing people there does not make sense. Also a webforum suchs as TheDonald wouldn't be a reliable source to use.
WikiVirusC(talk)15:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors, The Chronicles of Narnia, & The Carpet Makers
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These three references should be removed. As per the reasoning given above, "Because a reliably-sourced mention of 'God Emperor' does not occur at [the article]", "[the article] doesn't include a mention of source for this nickname", et al.
The sections above on this very talk page state that any links on this disambiguation page must go to an article that includes a "reliably-sourced mention of 'God Emperor'". As those three articles do not fulfil that requirement the references to them should be removed.
Not done: Carpet Makers on religious devotion to a distant, and seemingly immortal, Emperor. Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors Three August Ones, were said to be god-kings or demigods. Although The Chronicles of Narnia does not go into detail about the character in the main article, it's covered in
Calormen, he ruler of Calormen is called the Tisroc and is believed by the Calormene people to have descended in a direct line from the god Tash, whom the people worship in addition to other gods and goddesses.ScottishFinnishRadish (
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11:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)reply
There is a
god king article, which relates to deified rulers. This article however refers specifically to the term 'God Emperor', and as such should only include articles where that exact title is used.