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Oppose if an article name is in fact the official name for the document. For example, "
National Registration Identity Card" is the official Singaporean name for this document, and it is common in Singapore to refer to the document by the abbreviation "NRIC" rather than to call it a "Singaporean identity card" (which I've never heard anyone use). —
SGconlaw (
talk)
11:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)reply
As I wrote, "[o]ppose if an article name is in fact the official name for the document". If the article name is not the official name, I have no objection if it is renamed. —
SGconlaw (
talk)
15:34, 18 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose except for those such as
Estonian ID card that are descriptions. No compelling reason for the move has been given and the entries do not appear to have been well reviewed.
User:Sgconlaw gives one example above that is in violation of
WP:COMMONNAMES. In other cases, the proposed title is blatantly inaccurate. The
Proof of Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia (SBKRI) is not even about the current Indonesian identity card (KTP) which is dealt with in a separate article already called "
Indonesian identity card". The
Registro de Identidade Civil of Brazil is a defunct project that has been superseded by a new Documento Nacional de Identidade. Portugal's Bilhete de Identidade listed in the nomination has largely been phased out in favour of the Citizen Card. I encourage previous
and future voters here to consider these before bowing before the god of consistency and giving blanket approval to title changes of an unvetted list. —
AjaxSmack17:31, 21 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Then carve out the exception. I gets tiresome to have mass-RMs fall apart and get re-done and re-re-done without a line-item from thr last version of the RM just because someone objects to one or two entries and a bunch of other people "me too" against the entire proposal instead of agreeing with it except for what they want to exclude. It's a huge time-suck.
WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY,
WP:Common sense, etc. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 18:49, 21 July 2018 (UTC)reply
It also gets tiresome to have sloppy mass-RMs that throw together apples and oranges, expecting the participants to sort out the mess. —
AjaxSmack19:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Progress toward what? There is no compelling policy-based rationale in the nomination that warrants ignoring
WP:COMMONAMES, overwriting existing articles, or titling articles inaccurately. The request as currently formulated should be opposed/cancelled. If someone else wants to come back with a new, truncated nomination list of articles with descriptive titles like
Estonian ID card that can be standardised to match other titles, I'll fully support such moves. —
AjaxSmack19:31, 21 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Progress towards resolving this rename request - either by a blanket "decline", a selective renaming (as favoured by Stanton and I) or a (pretty daft) blanket "accept". It's pretty clear that you favour the first approach. --
BushelCandle (
talk)
20:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)reply
On the last one, the "official" name is "carte nationale d’identité" so by definition any English translation is "unofficial". As we are including "French" in the article title, "national" becomes essentially redundant.
jamacfarlane (
talk)
09:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Question: What is the significance of some countries being listed in italics at
Template:Identity cards ?
I must confess that this whole issue is seeming more and more like the proverbial can of worms and I am now tending towards changing my vote to a "weak oppose" since I suspect any problems of navigation can be more expeditiously solved by re-direct pages and judicious editing of
Template:Identity cards and I've yet to understand the need for consistent naming from a reader's (as opposed to an editor's) perspective... --
BushelCandle (
talk)
13:41, 22 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment I've just noticed that IP address 83.228.160.33, which is also the nominator's, has edited many all of the articles listed above to switch from using "official" document names in the lead sentence to a standard format of "country identity card". See
Special:Contributions/83.228.160.33 on July 17 2018.
jamacfarlane (
talk)
19:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, I had noticed that before and thought it a little premature but I did not want to prejudice a discussion on the merits of his proposal by bringing it up here. --
BushelCandle (
talk)
21:08, 22 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Oppose, I can see no good reason to avoid official names or official English translations if they exist. Also, Republic of China id card versus Taiwanese id card is another minefield that shouldn't be touched by a mass nomination like this one. No argument for renaming (other than the always problematic "consistency") has been brought forward. —Kusma (
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09:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)reply
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