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First off,
Marsharbt, if somebody reverts your addition simply re-reverting it without any talk page consensus is disruptive. Second, no part of Ghajar is in Israel. That template is out of place, and we already include the northern district template in here anyway. Kindly self-revert until a consensus for your addition is developed. nableezy -
16:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Under Modern Era, I found the following line: "Ghajar expanded northward into Lebanese territory, subsuming the Wazzani settlement north of the border." The provided reference is as follows:
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/middleeast/11lebanon.html
I am rather confused by this as for many reasons. One, at no point does the article mention such a thing occuring. Two, a village named Wazzani or Arab Al Louazieh, as linked, still exists on the opposing hill to Ghajar. Third, there is no date provided for this happening and it makes little sense in the context of the paragraph and the chronology it describes. Can a source be provided to explain this, or is it simply incorrect?
109.186.136.3 (
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16:45, 23 August 2023 (UTC)reply
to add; under Problematic Border Demarcation the following paragraph clearly contradicts this:
"According to Asher Kaufman, a researcher from the University of Notre Dame, "This is clearly seen in reports of and sketches made by the US Embassy in Beirut that tried to decipher the problems of sovereignty in the tri-border region during the 'water wars' in the early 1960s between Israel and its Arab neighbors." According to Kaufman, the village has been divided by the Blue Line into two 'neighborhoods' "that in 2000 were mistakenly thought to be two different villages: Ghajar in the south and al-Wazzani in the north. The village of al-Wazzani, the supposedly northern village that lies within Lebanon, has never really existed. There is a small community called al-Wazzani, better known as ‘Arab al-Luweiza', but it is located west of the Hasbani river across from Ghajar"."
109.186.136.3 (
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17:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Why was the checkpoint removed?
Under Citizenship - "The checkpoint at the entrance to the village was removed in September 2022 after the Local Council constructed a border fence separating the entire village from Lebanon."
I don't have a source to cite, but having visited Ghajar in the month following its opening I find it noteworthy to mention that while the local council did in fact decide to construct some form of border fence, almost no progress was made building it before the checkpoint was removed. While there was speculation by the media, and the aforementioned was the commonly accepted reason for the grand opening, locals we talked to claim that nobody was notified ahead of the day the checkpoint was removed, and nobody seems to know why it really happened. Take this with a grain of salt, of course, but when we came to the village, the checkpoint was manned but passage was free, and there was no physical barrier between the village houses and the river below, which was patrolled by UN and Lebanese security forces. If anyone finds a source that confirms these observations, I think it would do a great service to the people of the village, who were just as confused by the situation as we were.
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16:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)reply
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