This article is within the scope of WikiProject Energy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Energy on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnergyWikipedia:WikiProject EnergyTemplate:WikiProject Energyenergy articles
Talk:Geothermal energy in Turkey is part of WikiProject Geology, an attempt at creating a standardized, informative, comprehensive and easy-to-use
geology resource. If you would like to participate, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the
project page for more information.GeologyWikipedia:WikiProject GeologyTemplate:WikiProject GeologyGeology articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Turkey and
related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkeyWikipedia:WikiProject TurkeyTemplate:WikiProject TurkeyTurkey articles
The article does not currently make it clear how many of the existing plants (if any) are binary cycle. This seems highly relevant given that the geothermal fluids are unusually high in CO2. If plants are binary cycle, I understand this means that geothermal fluids are returned to the reservoir and are not released to atmosphere. This would presumably mean negligible CO2 emissions ? This point about flash plants versus binary plants seems worth covering in the article.
Marshelec (
talk)
07:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Chidgk1, I'm currently reading the article. Like the other article I GA-reviewed, it feels short. But can you quickly fix this:
Geothermal energy in Turkey#Sources. I haven't see other articles on wikipedia have such a section. If you're not sure how best to attribute, maybe we can ask someone.VRtalk20:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The article needs a section on environmental impact. If there is none, then say that, but I'm sure there will be some. There's currently only one sentence on "hydrogen sulphide in the air and heavy metals in the water."
Thanks,
Chidgk1, I see that now. But there is a contradiction. The second sentence seems to imply Turkey geothermal power did not increase CO2 emissions but then the third sentence says it does. Can you please resolve that? VRtalk21:04, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Vice regent I was in 2 minds about including the sentence "A European study showing no net increase in CO2 did not include Turkey" - it is a nice study but out of scope and the sentence likely confuses readers - do you think I should relegate it to a footnote?
Chidgk1 (
talk)
09:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Chidgk1: when sources contradict each other,
WP:NPOV requires we state both of them with attribution. So you can state it like "Sources differ on CO2 emissions by geothermal plants in Turkey. X says A, although Y says B...." BTW, the following sentence doesn't make a lot of sense: "A European study showing no net increase in CO2 did not include Turkey". What did not include Turkey?VRtalk04:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the updates. I still have some suggestions. Research section can be increased significantly more (I say this because wikipedia is built on published RS, and scientific research is an are of active publishing). Here are my suggestions:
which conferences on geothermal energy are held in Turkey, what are there names?
Done
what exactly is the research on using geothermal for desalinization? How would that work (would the heat be first converted into electricity or used directly?)? What progress has been made?
Done
what were the results of induced seismic risk? Is geothermal energy increasing it or is it still safe for Turkey?
Apart from the abstract it is behind a paywall - although I am 99% sure the added risk must be minimal otherwise they would have said in the abstract I cannot really add that without access to the whole paper.
Chidgk1 (
talk)
06:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)reply
what does dry ice have to do with geothermal energy?
Done
@
Vice regent: I would love to be able to significantly expand the research section but unfortunately there is not enough funding for geothermal research in this country so there is far less here than in, for example, the US. However I have attempted to clarify the points above and have added some development info.
Chidgk1 (
talk)
06:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Another point. The lead should include a summary of all the content in the article, so make sure to include things like research and public opinion (even just a sentence or two) in the lead.VRtalk21:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
What is the significance of this: "However the carbon price in Iceland is the same as the EU Allowance (around 80 euros a tonne in mid-2022),[42] whereas in Turkey it is zero." I think I can guess, but please explain in the article.
Who did the World Bank loan $300 million to? The Turkish government? Local governments? Corporations?
Pretty sure not the central government. Probably private companies but could be local government or both. But cannot find any source with details sorry.
Chidgk1 (
talk)
06:36, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
What exactly does this mean: "The Geothermal Power Plant Investors Association said in February 2022 that the interest on lira loans was about 24%, and that it was nonviable to invest at the then feed in tariff (also in lira)"? Can you expand and explain?
I don't properly understand myself however I have added that the feed-in-tariff is updated quarterly and has a USD cap - perhaps they think that the president will not increase the FiT up to the cap every quarter - but I cannot say that as I cannot find a source to confirm my economically illiterate original research. Maybe I should just delete the sentence?
Chidgk1 (
talk)
07:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks for bearing with me
Chidgk1. I'm close to finishing this review, just brushing up the history section now and checking some more references. We are close to the finish line! VRtalk12:17, 29 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Can you specify when this happened "For plants started between 2010 and 2021 the Renewable Energy Support Scheme
feed-in tariff was 10.5 US cent/kWh". I'm asking since its in the history section.VRtalk09:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Vice regent I put it in history because the feed in tariff for new plants is less than that now. Having said that existing plants continue to get that tariff (for 10 years since they started generating if I remember right). So if you like I could move it to a different section or change "was" to "is".
Chidgk1 (
talk)
14:47, 1 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Ok, then you should explain that. Write it like, "In year A, the Turkish government set the feed in tariff at X, but in year B it was lowered to B." And then maybe give a reason for why it was lowered.VRtalk14:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Inflation is officially over 70% a year now so I think it would be too much work for future editors to keep lira FiT numbers up to date. Unfortunately I have not yet been able to find a website with the continually updated figures otherwise I would link to it. However I have explained in the finance section that the figure is updated quarterly. As explained in the finance section although it is capped at UScent8.6 as far as I understand it the president is not obliged to increase it up to the cap at each quarterly review. So in history I have added "In 2021 the feed-in tariff was reduced and changed to lira" - presumably govt thought that would save money but I cannot find any official explanation.
Chidgk1 (
talk)
15:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't understand why "Direct use of heat" section keeps talking about GW, MW etc. I thought direct use of heat doesn't involve conversion to electricity, so what does gigawatt and megawatt refer to?VRtalk14:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)reply
It was correct when I added it - I suspect some unskilled person moved the page without redirecting the old one - have corrected
Chidgk1 (
talk)
05:40, 15 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Here's a formal review:
GA review (see
here for what the criteria are, and
here for what they are not)
A lot of good effort has been put into the article. It has been challenging to review as there are not a lot of "Geothermal in X" GAs.
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that people have been enjoying
balneotherapy from geothermal energy in Turkey since the Romans? Source: Hierapolis is an exceptional example of a Greco-Roman thermal installation established on an extraordinary natural site. The therapeutic virtues of the waters were exploited at the various thermal installations, which included immense hot basins and pools for swimming.[
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/485/
ALT1 ... that the Romans enjoyed
balneotherapy from geothermal energy in Turkey? Source: Hierapolis is an exceptional example of a Greco-Roman thermal installation established on an extraordinary natural site. The therapeutic virtues of the waters were exploited at the various thermal installations, which included immense hot basins and pools for swimming.
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/485/
ALT4 ... that, for hot Turkey, to avoid passing foul-smelling gas and annoying people nearby it is important to make sure we have
reinjection.
ALT1 is the same as the main hook, so no need to repeat it. ALT2-4 seem to be Google-translated and make no sense for me. The fourth translation is even somewhat funny when you think of it. I can't speak Turkish, but maybe someone else can help you out.
Szmenderowiecki (
talk)
08:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Szmenderowiecki: ALT2-4 are aimed at native English speakers like me. So they are kind of puzzles which make no sense at first, so readers might be tempted to click to find out the meaning. ALT2 looks like a word salad reversing "greenhouse effect" and "global warming" but means that there are more geothermally heated greenhouses in Turkey than elsewhere in the world. ALT3 rhymes in the first clause and then reverses "greenhouse effect": meaning is that the CO2 must be put back in ground. ALT4 is supposed to make schoolkids think of farting: meaning is that hydrogen sulphide should be put back in ground.
Chidgk1 (
talk)
11:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Seddon: I just noticed you are an ex-geologist. As well as checking above hooks, if you have time could you tell me whether the geology parts of the article could be improved at all?
Chidgk1 (
talk)
11:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Hmm, @
Chidgk1 while I don't doubt your language proficiency, I must admit that I would have assumed ALT2-4 to be google translations as well – and reported them as a main page error, instead of being intrigued by them :/ Which is a shame, because quirkyness is one of the things I like about DYK. But at this level of quirky, they might work for April's fool or something; I think you'd need to make them a little less confusing for non-natives like me. --
LordPeterII (
talk)
08:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Indeed
Seddon is the reviewer,
Chidgk1 I just wanted to ping you in case you wanted to rephrase the other ALTs (which may be witty, but too complex). And since I'm not sure Sedon is fine with ALT1, it sounded like he thought it too uninteresting. Anyway, here I suggest yet another hook:
Overall: In attempt to make the process clearer I put a strike through the original hook as this seems to have been replaced by ALT1. I also struck ALT2, ALT3, and ALT4 in agreement with the above comments about issues with them. Noting that DYK now shows pictures at slightly more than 100 px I think the image is acceptable for consideration. If a citation can be added to "Environmental impact and public opinion" and the details in ALT1 - personally my favourite hook - added to the article then this is good to go.
CSJJ104 (
talk)
15:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Created a map (below) and
Data.map dataset on Commons to show the geothermal plants in Turkey. I propose added this kind of map to the article. The plants shown are from the
"Global Power Plant Database" v1.3.0. More plants can be added into this dataset by editing the Geojson with lat/long and labels. Any comments?
A traditional static map gives more creative control over the label placements. However, the maintenance cost is higher and a bit more difficult to verify. If you would prefer a static map, we can discuss.
DutchTreat (
talk)
14:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)reply
@
DutchTreat It is hard to know whether there will be many new geothermal power plants in future. At the moment it seems unlikely so a static map might be best. But let’s wait until after the election in May to be sure - I guess there is a small possibility a new government might radically revise energy policy. So I will likely ping you in June to get your opinion both on this map and the static maps I have in some other articles. I don’t have any graphics skills but happy to do some donkey work with your advice. Thanks for your help so far and I hope to be in touch later to pick your brains
Chidgk1 (
talk)
06:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)reply