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I've started a major reworking of this page, and I'm curious about the translations. There's a little symbol which says that it's been translated into three other languages, but those translations aren't current with my edits. Does the symbol mean that an article exists, or that a current article exists? Argyriou 19:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
These edits are not, by and large, improvements to this article. The flow of the introduction has been broken up; some of it is now in passive voice which is inappropriate, and subjects are not treated in terribly logical order anymore. I'll be selectively reverting most of these edits in the next few days when I have time. Argyriou (talk) 07:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of this organization:
'*Soil mechanics
Basar 18:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
How about we shorten the soil mechanics and geotechnical investigation sections as they have their own in-depth articles? - Basar 20:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the see also section is a little superfluous. The two most appropriate ones that don't seem to be in the article are engineering geology and important publications in geotechnical engineering. Maybe we could pare it down to them? Basar 21:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I think that the section on Soil Properties needs to be changed to some other more general title, corrected, or taken out and dealt with in the soil mechanics article. Before changing anything I was wondering what everyone thought. Some of those items just aren't soil properties or are incorrectly defined. For example:
As i said before, a more general title may be apropriate "selective keywords from soil mechanics". Density, bulk modulus, shear modulus, permeability are fundamental soil properties, that's where I would start if I was to do it right now, but I say let the soil mechanics article take care of it.
My questions are should the soil mechanics section just have a short summary paragraph with a link to the soil mechanics article or should the more expanded soil mechanics section stay but be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TwoWildnCrazyKids ( talk • contribs) 01:12, 2 April 2007
It has been suggested that the Geotechnics article be merged into Geotechnical engineering. I very much disagree with this suggestion. The term Geotechnics existed before the term Geotechnical Engineering. It is true that geotechnics and geotechnical engineering have similar definitions. However, engineers have chosen to use the term Geotechnical Engineering instead of Geotechnics to describe their field. Engineering Geologists have always used the term geotechnics to describe the geotechnical aspect of their field. By merging the definition of geotechnics into geotechnical engineering, you would essentially say that geotechnics is not part of engineering geology, since in most States, geologists can not practice engineering without being a PE. However geotechnics is considered part of the practice of engineering geology in those States that regulate engineering geologists. The term geotechnics was coined by geologists, and we use the term more often than engineers do. If geotechnics is merged anywhere it should merged with Engineering Geology. Essentially, Geotechnics is a Geology word, and for anyone to assume otherwise implies some lack of knowlege of the history of the term. The term Geotechnics is a stand-along term in most geology and geotechnical engineering glossaries, and should be a stand-along term here on Wikipedia. The definition which I have provided is accurate, with adequate references, and I have provided links to both Geotechnical Engineering and Engineering Geology if the reader would like additional information. Wikipedia is about providing information, not limiting it. The only reason to merge Geotechnics into Geotechnical Engineering is to define ownership of the term to engineer. Wikipedia should not be about "turf" warfare, but rather about providing information to the public.
- Geohumphrey 22:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geohumphrey ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 13 June 2007
I would be happy to look for some references that help answer these questions. But I also have some questions for you: why is it so important to you that this term be merged with geotechnical engineering is not for "turf" protection. How does it harm Wikipedia and its users to have a stand along definition for Geotechnics, especially since it refers both to engineering geology and geotechnical engineering. I created this article, and there is nothing incorrect in the article. I agree that geotechnics is part of geotechnical engineer, but it is also part of engineering geology. I am a Board Member with the Oregon State Board of Geologist Examiners, and I am also a Certified Engineering Geologist in Oregon and Washington. I know what the law says in both States, and both consider geotechnics to be part of the practice of engineering geology (there I have answered #3 in your list). Oregon also allows engineering geologists to complete geotechnical investigations and reports, including geotechnical design. It sounds like you have a problem with engineering geologists practicing geotechnics. Can you provide some evidence that says that geotechnics is not part of engineering geology? In the State of Oregon, geotechnics is very much a part of engineering geology.
- Geohumphrey 22:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Basar, my intension was not to make accusations, I apologize if that is the way it sounded. Your argument suggests that the practice of engineering belongs in the field of engineering geology, since "engineering" is the first word of the title. The word geotechnical does not automatically imply geotechnical engineer, as I have argued, it can also imply engineering geologist. Another example would be "geological engineering" or "soil engineering"......do these terms imply that the study of "geology" or "soils" are exclusively an engineering pursuit?....no. All "geotechnical engineer" means is an engineer who practices geotechnics, nothing more. Just because the term "geotechnical" is in the title of geotechnical engineering, does not mean that the word geotechnical, or the practice of geotechnics, belongs exclusively to engineers. To be more clear....."geotechnical" is a title, whereas "geotechnics" is a practice.
- Geohumphrey 23:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Both engineering geologists and geotechnical engineers publish their geotechnical articles in geotech journals. Because the fields of engineering geology and geotechnical engineering are so close, a geotechnical article written by an engineering geologist can sound very much like geotechnical engineering when read by an engineer, and visa-versa. Another point, soil mechanics and geotechnics was developed in civil engineering departments, but these departments were dominated by both engineers and geologist. The geologists who researched and taught soil mechanics and geotechnics did so in civil engineering departments. This was logical because of the focus on civil works. However, this does not mean that soil mechanics and geotechnics was developed exclusively by engineers. In fact, Karl Terzaghi himself said that soil mechanics belonged more in the geology field than the engineering field, and when he taught soil mechanics he considered these classes to be mainly geology courses. Unfortunately, today many civil engineering departments are dropping geologic requirements and geotech engineers are coming out of school with less and less understanding of geomorphology and the geosciences, which is resulting in engineering recommendations becoming more and more conservative, because of this lack of knowledge. How can a geotechnical engineer be a geotech without a geologic knowledge? At the same time, geology departments are taking up the slack and teaching more and more soil mechanics and geotechnical courses, and the teaching of geotechnics is falling more and more on the geology departments. I think if you search the internet you will see that a large percentage of university departments teaching geotechnics are geology departments and not civil engineering departments. Geotechnics is a combination of geology and engineering, and its practitioners should have a strong understanding in both. The history of geotechnics is a merge of geology and civil engineering. A geotechnical professional is someone who understand both fields, not just an engineer or a geologist.
- Geohumphrey 14:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Argyriou, are you suggesting that "geotechnical engineering" and "engineering geology" are indistinguishable? Or are you implying that "geotechnics" is a definition of "geotechnical engineering" or "engineering geology", but not both? Again, I believe that "geotechnics" does not necessarily define the scope of "geotechnical engineering" or "engineering geology", but rather both mutually practice "geotechnics". It's an important distinction. Geohumphrey 23:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The definition of geotechnics which I have provided is "the application of scientific methods and engineering principles to the acquisition, interpretation, and use of knowledge of materials of the Earth's crust for the solution of engineering problems; the applied science of making the Earth more habitable". This definition is from the Glossary of Geology. Although this definition is broad, it is also limited. As an engineering geologist, I believe that the field of engineering geology is much broader than this definition. However, it appears that some of you are saying that the definition I have provided is also the definition of geotechnical engineering. I would think that most geotechnical engineers would say that their field is also broader than this definition. It's like saying that the definition of soil mechanics is also defines geotechnical engineering, it limits what geotechnical engineering is. I am not sure why you guys are having such a problem with this concept. I can't separate geotechnics from geotechnical engineering or engineering geology because it's part of both fields. Which is to say that part of the field of geotechnical engineering is also part of the field of engineering geology and via-versa. To merge the geotechnics article into one or the other is not fair. Once you merge it you are essentially saying that it only belongs to one and not both. Is this the intent of this merge? Geohumphrey 19:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
If there will be no more discussion, I would like this merge discussion to end and the
geotechnics article to remain un-merged.
Geohumphrey
18:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
In the consolidation section, it says soils can be "under consolidated"? How can this be? OCR (in general) is defined as . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.161.97 ( talk • contribs) 23:26, July 28, 2007
Please add articles, priorities and comments here:
Please add to these articles. Drillerguy 19:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
The history section was woefully inadequate. Grabbed some basic info out of a couple textbooks I had laying around and added some context. Also fixed some broken links. Cheers! 68.185.166.8 ( talk) 22:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
There are quite a number of Wikipedia articles that refer to "monopile foundation" but I can't seem to find any WP article (e.g., monopile, or monopile foundation, as of October 2009, both come up as red links) that describes a monopile foundation. Might it be possible for someone who is a geotechnical engineer expert to add a few words or a section to either this article (or Foundation (engineering) if that would be better) in order to describe what one is and how they work? I see there are a lot of Google hits but an expert could probably best summarize the important ideas for a paragraph in the appropriate WP article on underwater geotechnical engineering, or Deep foundation, or Foundation (engineering). N2e ( talk) 21:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I am reworking this page more. It has a lot of repeated and slightly inconsistent information that is duplicated on the geotechnical investigation and soil mechanics pages. To avoid inconsistencies, we should put details on one of the pages, and just very cursory summaries of the info on the parent page. I view geotechnical engineering as the "parent" of the soil mechanics and investigation pages. So I am moving detail to the "child" pages and shortening the parent page, but improving the links to the child pages. This page got dinged in the past for lack of references. So far I have worked on the geotechnical investigation part, but need to move to reducing redundancy of soil mechanics info. Blkutter ( talk) 16:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Expansive soils should be covered in more detail. Jim Derby ( talk) 02:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I started looking at ways to improve the section on Marine geotechnical engineering in this article, an area I am currently active in. There is a fair bit of info that could be included in it and the difference between onshore and offshore is significant. So I envisage a separate article (with proper referencing). It's in the works. I'm thinking of using offshore instead of marine. Please let me know if you have comments.-- Lusilier ( talk) 20:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
I think the entire section Geotechnical engineering#Practicing engineers is inappropriate in this article, and should be erased or moved to a more appropriate article. Geotechnical engineering has universal application but this section is too strongly focussed on the United States. Dolphin ( t) 13:12, 13 March 2021 (UTC)w
This line was removed and holds value as it explains deep soil injection which is a key process for geotechnical engineering:
"Deep soil injection is a method used to reinforce the ground beneath structures by injecting high-density polymers into the soil to fill voids and compact it."
I'm not sure how this qualifies as spam - it's useful content for the reader, and the article linked goes into great detail on the topic. Hazlenut101 ( talk) 22:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
What are the differences between geodetics and geotechnics? Also, are survey engineers considered geotechnical engineers, or is there more to surveying than geotechnics (e.g., is solar access considered part of geotechnical engineering)? Tule-hog ( talk) 22:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)